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  • Originally posted by Knuth Konrad View Post

    For Delphi, the answer to this question is easy and has nothing to do with the quality of Delphi itself (both the programming language and the IDE):

    - C# is somewhat the successor of Delphi, considering that Delphi's chief architect Anders Hejlsberg moved from Borland to MS to create C#. It's not without reason that C# has similaities with Pascal.

    - Borland has gone through some irritating chances, leaving users wondering where it finally will head to. I remind you of that Borland -> Inprise -> Embarcadero name change.
    Yes, I remember these changes but they came after the Delphi jobs dried up in the UK.


    Another point which makes C# to seem a safe choice is the fact MS' has the language Ecma and ISO certified (along with the CLR). As I understand this, it means there can be other C# implementations, not relying on MS. In fact, there's a C# compiler included in the Mono project and there was another one in the now abandonded DotGNU project.

    tl;dr
    C# can happily exist without MS.
    I have always thought C# will be around for some time and I actually like it. However, I still wonder what may happen if / when MS develop C#'s successor. Will companies switch language again to stay with current MS developments? Even with Delphi going through it's "irritating" changes, it's still Delphi and not another language to learn. But I guess people may see MS as being around for a long time and stable?

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    • >Okay, maybe fad was the wrong word, but why have the majority of companies dismissed it when in my opinion it's a perfectly good programming tool?
      Yes it is. I'm sure you can put it down to insecurity a lot of the time i.e. fear of not using MS/IBM or restlessness.
      Good reasons to move would be if your hardware, firmware, developers or tools became scarce or a lot more expensive or insecure.
      The only one relevant to Delphi is that programmers would be harder to find than for C## but then that's a circular argument so no answer.
      Last edited by Dean Gwilliam; 14 Feb 2017, 11:09 AM.

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      • This is really a great news which motivates us to continue working with PB.
        We were right to continue working without ever losing the spirit and with the hope of a news like this.
        Good job.
        mailto:info@softplus.it
        From Italy.

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        • Thanks to all you guys (gals) who hung in there with me. There are so many people to thank I didn't want Bob's dreams to die, although it has been very difficult. Thanks to Eric for his help on the forums. Thanks to Tom Hanlin for out midnight talks about things when I would be trying to make decisions about things. Thanks to Gary Beene for taking over and running everything for weeks and weeks when I had health problems. There were many times when I considered closing the company, because everything was so far above my knowledge. Thanks to Drake Enterprises for rescuing me and Bob's legacy. I like to think he is smiling about this latest news.
          Vivian Zale

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          • Good news. I'm just a hobbyist, but I'm glad to hear powerbasic is moving forward again.
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            • >I like to think he is smiling about this latest news.
              Undoubtedly!...Drake Software ARE the fans they claim to be as any forum search will confirm.

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              • Drake Software are the fans they claim to be. They were customers of PowerBASIC for many years and Bob had a lot of respect for Phil Drake and Adam Drake. He always talked about how Phil was so honest. No matter how many programmers he had he bought one product for each programmer and did not share. I know that was not always the case with some people.
                Vivian Zale

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                • Its good that you are pleased with the result, Adam and Co sound like a quality operation that will be decent successors to the work that Bob did and will extend his vision of high quality compiler design. I hope you are well and able to relax and have some fun.
                  hutch at movsd dot com
                  The MASM Forum

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                  • >one product for each programmer and did not share.
                    That's very good to hear and I'd like to echo Hutch's sentiment.
                    Last edited by Dean Gwilliam; 21 Feb 2017, 12:31 PM.

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                    • That is simply WONDERFUL!

                      If Drake needs marketing material showing a large and sophisticated commercial code developed using the PowerBasic Console Compiler, I'd be delighted to give permission to use text and images from my RDSwin aircraft design code. See http://www.aircraftdesign.com/rdspro.html .

                      And, please put me on your customer list.

                      Finally, thank you Vivian for allowing this to happen.

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                      • I've been using PB for so long that I remember when the name was changed from TurboBasic to PowerBasic.

                        And that brings up my one serious complaint - my embarassment when somebody says "so what programming language is your aircraft design software done it?"

                        I reply, "Mumble, mumble, it isn't really Basic, it's more like C, blah blah."

                        So if Drake wants to change the name again it's OK with me, as long as the word "Basic" isn't in there!

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                        • Something like Prozality?

                          Pro- (Advancing) -zal- (Guess why) -ity (Quality)
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                          • And that brings up my one serious complaint - my embarassment when somebody says "so what programming language is your aircraft design software done it?"

                            I reply, "Mumble, mumble, it isn't really Basic, it's more like C, blah blah."

                            So if Drake wants to change the name again it's OK with me, as long as the word "Basic" isn't in there!
                            Why spoil a good thing?
                            If they don't understand Basic, and PowerBASIC in particular, it's their misfortune, not yours. Just feels sorry for them and carry on.
                            Rod
                            "To every unsung hero in the universe
                            To those who roam the skies and those who roam the earth
                            To all good men of reason may they never thirst " - from "Heaven Help the Devil" by G. Lightfoot

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                            • Congrulations Adam for taking the new ownership of PowerBasic. The legacy of Bob Zale lives on and that is something he would like, I am pretty sure about that.
                              So here we are, this is the end.
                              But all that dies, is born again.
                              - From The Ashes (In This Moment)

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                              • Originally posted by Daniel Raymer View Post
                                I've been using PB for so long that I remember when the name was changed from TurboBasic to PowerBasic.

                                And that brings up my one serious complaint - my embarassment when somebody says "so what programming language is your aircraft design software done it?"

                                I reply, "Mumble, mumble, it isn't really Basic, it's more like C, blah blah."

                                So if Drake wants to change the name again it's OK with me, as long as the word "Basic" isn't in there!
                                I face the same problem at times, so I generally refer to it as PB/Win

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                                • Originally posted by Rodney Hicks View Post
                                  Why spoil a good thing?
                                  If they don't understand Basic, and PowerBASIC in particular, it's their misfortune, not yours. Just feels sorry for them and carry on.
                                  On the contrary, it's our misfortune when a prospective client discounts our proposal because of their preconceived notions about "BASIC".


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                                  • On the contrary, it's our misfortune when a prospective client discounts our proposal because of their preconceived notions about "BASIC".
                                    If your potential client knows so much, why are they potential clients? You can still feel sorry for them and carry on!
                                    Rod
                                    "To every unsung hero in the universe
                                    To those who roam the skies and those who roam the earth
                                    To all good men of reason may they never thirst " - from "Heaven Help the Devil" by G. Lightfoot

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                                    • >If your potential client knows so much...
                                      Paul Graham observes that "pointy haired bosses" are members of not one but TWO main camps, simultaneously....those with very strong opinions about software and those who know nothing about it. If you're dealing with a "pointy haired boss" then...good luck
                                      Last edited by Dean Gwilliam; 24 Feb 2017, 12:41 PM.

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                                      • We market software to large corporations. It's not often, but once in a while, we get some IT guy in the sales process that asks us what language our software is developed in. We just tell them that it is developed with a native code compiler.
                                        Bernard Ertl
                                        InterPlan Systems

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                                        • Originally posted by Rodney Hicks View Post
                                          If your potential client knows so much, why are they potential clients? You can still feel sorry for them and carry on!
                                          That's hardly the attitude if you want to make a living.

                                          They are potential clients because they want me to develop something for them which they don't have the in-house capacity to do.

                                          I develop information systems for organisations that often have IT management/administration personnel, but not developers on staff. Those people are the ones who will be responsible for subsequently maintaining the systems and have a lot of say in the decision making process. It is not unusul for them to want to know what development environment is used.

                                          It's all very well for you to say "feel sorry for them and carry on", but that doesn't pay the rent.

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