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  • #41
    Originally posted by Steve Hutchesson View Post
    > Microsoft plans to completely drop support for x32 in Windows Core 10 OS

    User plans to completely drop support for Microsoft Core 10 OS.
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    • #42
      Originally posted by Steve Hutchesson View Post
      > Microsoft plans to completely drop support for x32 in Windows Core 10 OS

      User plans to completely drop support for Microsoft Core 10 OS.
      This is mostly for corporate users.
      They might continue to give it out free for Raspberry Pi, though.
      There are millions of instances of POS and ATM computers running WIN-XP embedded.
      They all need to be upgraded as new exploits in XP are being discovered.
      Nobody wants their ATM hacked with the Jackpot bug or their Credit/Debit info stolen
      off of their connected POS cash register computer.
      And nobody wants to hire programmers to hack together a Linux POS or ATM OS
      that won't have updates, or an upgrade path as part of the ongoing maintenance
      included in the original per-unit cost for thousands of units.
      The world is strange and wonderful.*
      I reserve the right to be horrifically wrong.
      Please maintain a safe following distance.
      *wonderful sold separately.

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      • #43
        Raspberry Pi no longer support 32bits software. 32bits is going the dino way ..............

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        • #44
          There are MANY companies still running 32bit CPUs... Yes... MANY. Large companies take a REALLY long time to migrate their OS systems and rarely look to change the basic system. Many sweat the assets and I have seen PC's as old as tens years old still in production use.

          You cannot run 64bit software on 32bit machines, but you can run 32bit software on 64bit machines. When Microsoft stops making a 32bit version of Office then you will have a bout 10 years left until 32bit support is history.

          There are 2 groups of 64bit people, those that NEED 64 bit and those that want to seem cool and be 64bit but get no real value out of it. I'd love to have 64bit but I know I'd be in the latter group (except for some very niche index stuff). As such, I patiently wait for a 64bit PowerBASIC because I CAN. 32bit is not going away, and I can write in PowerBASIC for years to come AS IS. If I NEEDED 64bit now I would look elsewhere. There is no rush and I'd rather it be done right and wait... most of us have the time.

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          • #45
            Microsoft explains some aspects of WOW64 and whether it usually affects performance or not and what systems may be affected by it. From the "horses mouth":

            https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

            https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Brice Manuel View Post

              Companies are increasingly moving to Office 365.
              I'm IT director at a medium size (500 employees) company. The switch to O365 has nothing to do with the 32/64 bit debate. I can say that many of the folks I've talked to that are making the switch to O365 are doing so because the licensing model (monthly/annual "software assurance" payments) makes the cost a different kind of expenditure (opex vs. capex), which makes the cost affect the "adjusted" bottom line differently. By bundling e-mail services -- cloud based Exchange -- it becomes a potential way to eliminate IT support positions.

              Our desktops are primarily running 64 bit OS's, and they all run the 32 bit programs that we compile with PBWin just fine, thank you very much. The IIS server uses the CGI programs I make with PBCC. Once all that stops working, I'll worry about whether there's a 64 bit PB compiler.
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              • #47
                George / Chris / Bud: Not only are there a lot of 32-bit CPUs left, _every_ mainstream Intel 64-bit processor intrinsically supports the 32-bit x86 instruction set. That's how WOW64 is able to run with such an insignificant penalty. And, with all the unfounded and as yet unsubstantiated rumors of the death of 32-bit support, Intel is rumored to be developing a new, cleaner x86 implementation for the post-Core chip line. Unlike the FUD reports, these rumors actually came from industry insiders that focus on the chip industry (e.g., less irrational fear). Again, only rumors, but I'd trust these rumors more than Raspberry PI comparisons, seeing as the arm-based PI doesn't run Windows apps natively anyway!

                http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/5...-new-x86-uarch
                https://wccftech.com/intel-developin...re-generation/

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                • #48
                  The Intel article is an interesting one, there is a lot of left over junk from years of appended instructions that are generally no longer used so cleaning out the old stuff makes sense. MMX is just about useless and are mainly available for FP instructions as is the case with some of the SSE instructions that have been bypassed with later instruction sets. It will be interesting to see what gets left and how they handle the risk of breaking existing code.
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                  • #49
                    Rumors ... rumors ... circa 2016 ... LOL as this is 2018 !

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                    • #50
                      We already know that some of you are happy with a 32-bit only compiler, but I wonder how many prospective buyers will end buying it.
                      Forum: http://www.jose.it-berater.org/smfforum/index.php

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by Anne Wilson View Post
                        Rumors ... rumors ... circa 2016 ... LOL as this is 2018 !
                        HaHa... and I'm still waiting for you to post your "authoritative" sources from your first "32-bit is dead rumors" post. Rasberry PI comparisons don't exactly instill confidence in a Windows / Intel x86/x64 world.

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by José Roca View Post
                          32-bit only compiler, but I wonder how many prospective buyers will end buying it.
                          José, personally I believe the better question is how many would buy a compiler not maintained for [n] years. Surely, if PB released a new 32/64 bundle, I expect people would buy it. If I'm not mistaken, Visual Studio can produce both 32/64, correct?

                          Originally posted by José Roca View Post
                          happy with a 32-bit only compiler
                          For me, its not about 'happy', its more about 'resisting irrational panic'. I wasn't 'happy' with my old car, but I didn't take it into a pole just so I could buy a new one. I waited for the car I wanted and bought it when it was available.

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                          • #53
                            Powerbasic is programming's answer to the Moto Morini 350 sport i.e. make it bigger and bulkier and you'd lose what makes it such a giant killer.
                            Here's one to get the idea
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWJot3hdm9I
                            and they're hard to catch on these sort of roads, if the rider knows what they're doing
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjUx_Hmogxc
                            i.e. a gem of a design.

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                            • #54
                              Thinking about it..a better analogy would be that Bob was compiler design's answer to Burt Monro
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Munro
                              Note the...."This record STILL stands;"
                              and trying to morph pb32 to 64bit seems about as sensible as trying to morph Burt's 1920's Indian Scout into one of today's offerings
                              i.e. you'd be going backwards for a lot of apps.
                              Last edited by Dean Gwilliam; 15 Feb 2018, 02:45 PM.

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                              • #55
                                Heave a collective sigh of relief that traditional windows apps (including 32bit) will continue be supported in the next Win10! Win10S has been re-positioned as a 'mode', not a full OS for budget-conscious consumers and the education sector (read Chromebook users). I think tweets from the VP are about as authoritative as we're going to get on unreleased products a year out. It appears we can stop throwing deck chairs into the icy waters of the Atlantic for now, as we enjoy our voyage, to wherever that may be!!

                                https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/07/wi...ode-next-year/

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                                • #56
                                  Heave a collective sigh of relief that traditional windows apps (including 32bit) will continue
                                  Rumors maybe not ....
                                  End of an era: Linux distributions will soon stop supporting 32-bit PCs
                                  https://www.pcworld.com/article/3089...2-bit-pcs.html

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                                  • #57
                                    Linux is not under the same commercial pressure (or indeed any commercial pressure) to maintain backward compatibility but if they do bite the bullet that will just add another reason to the list of reasons why peeps don't use linux. Wouldn't it be bizarre, if Wine, whos raison d'etre is to provide windows compatibility to linux, no longer supported the vast magority of windows applications.

                                    I've recently decided to try x64 and am amazed just how few apps offer a x64 version.
                                    Last edited by James McNab; 7 Mar 2018, 06:35 PM.

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                                    • #58
                                      Anne, that article is dated July 2016! If any research went into it, it is 2 years old. "Soon" would have happened already. And, you know those "news" papers that talk about aliens and big foot? PCWorld is the computing equivilent. Thankyou for proving 32 bit has some time left.
                                      Dale

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by Anne Wilson View Post
                                        Rumors ... rumors ... circa 2016 ... LOL as this is 2018 !
                                        How appropriate! Anyhow, I congratulate you in the unlikely event you actually succeeded on running your PB Win32 programs natively on Linux. If that's the case, continue throwing deck chairs overboard! In the more likely event you were using WINE, it looks like you're covered with WINE64 wow64 support, the same as the Windows crowd.

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                                        • #60
                                          I am sure that 32-bit systems will soon be less supported. There are more security holes suggested. This has a background. The money has to circulate. Nobody makes money with old systems. Capital seeks returns. Even if it makes no sense technically. There is this economic growth compulsion! We are all subject to this compulsion.

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