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  • Stopping Windows 10 updates with Android Firewall?

    I have a few tablets running Win10 with a single PBWin program installed.
    The tablets have started to ignore the "Metered connection" setting and now download gigabytes of information for an update. It's costing a fortune in data charges.

    The update fails because it exhausts the data allowance on the phone and then the tablet is unable to operate with my little PBWin program.

    I can't do manual updates in advance because the tablets are incapable of updating as they don't have enough memory to handle the update.
    As a result, the whole thing repeats every time I try to use the tablets and they are now useless.

    I only use them for a very specific job. I tether the tablets via an Android device hotspot and I only need them to access a single website via FTP.

    Does anyone know of an Android firewall app that can block all internet access from a tethered device except for 1 specified address?
    Or any other solution to stop Windows downloading updates?

    Most of the Android firewalls look like they block apps on the phone but I need to block access via the tethered connection.

  • #2
    Paul,

    Do you have a normal internet connection for your PC that has WIFI capacity. I have an Android tablet that I use for camera and similar applications that I run from my internet connection via WIFI and it costs me effectively nothing. Could you set up the tablet to use a local WIFI instead of having to pay data charges ?
    hutch at movsd dot com
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    • #3
      Steve,
      there is no option of wired connection or WiFi.
      The tablets are in remote locations. I sometimes struggle to get a 3G signal.

      But even if there was cheap WiFi connection available, that doesn't solve the problem of the updates taking place, taking the tablet out of service for 5 hours, then failing and starting all over again.

      I know this is a Microsoft problem but they don't care so I'm looking for a way to manage the problem by preventing the tablet having access to the internet, except for the one site my program needs to access.

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      • #4
        In case you're interested, the devices are used as chip timers for cross country races.
        The tablet just talks to a chip reader and then uploads any chips it sees to a website.

        The timers are set up on the course, often farmland or large open spaces, and left for 5 hours.
        Whenever a runner passes, the chip is identified and uploaded to the website from where laptop elsewhere can download the data and process the results.

        It was all working great until Microsoft decided that their updates are more important than anything their customers could possibly be doing.

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        • #5
          Paul,

          I have a toy that I use to change settings in Win10 64 Pro that has an option to turn off automatic updates, its called Winaero Tweaker and it has an option "Disable Windows Update" that may be useful to you. I generally let the auto update work then fix anything they have messed up but this or something similar may be useful to you.
          hutch at movsd dot com
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          • #6
            Thanks Steve,
            I have read that Win10 Pro has more options available and can be made to delay updates but the tablets run Win10 Home so it may not work. But it's still worth looking into.

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            • #7
              Not sure if it works but you can try tarpitting the auto-update IP Addresses / hostnames in the hosts file.

              This may help if you work backwards (block rather than allow)
              <b>George W. Bleck</b>
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              • #8
                George,
                Windows now ignores its own Firewall and internet settings when it comes to updates because Microsoft has decided that these updates are so important that nothing should ever stop them.
                Only important updates, say Microsoft, but since this update can never complete, there's always a 1GByte important update waiting.

                This is why I thought blocking on the Android device might get around the problem.

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                • #9
                  Not saying change the firewall... I'm saying change the hosts file so those addresses all point to 127.0.0.1 --- This way Windows would not be able to resolve the addresses anymore and could not download them.
                  <b>George W. Bleck</b>
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                  • #10
                    Although I am not on windows 10 much.
                    I have used many setting in group policy editor to make many changes. Including to change the way updates are made. I personally like the WSUS offline approach.
                    I turn disable BITS service along with update.
                    You can set updates service to manual if you like but I disable it. There is another service that is needed for update but it escapes my mind. I am away from a computer this minute
                    p purvis

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                    • #11
                      https://android.stackexchange.com/qu...e-on-tethering

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                      • #12
                        On Windows, if there is a service called "Windows Module Installer" which is C:\Windows\servicing\TrustedInstaller.exe
                        Try and disable that
                        I must of done a really good job of stopping windows updates on this windows 7 machine because it cannot even get it running myself from the control panel.
                        I looked in all my setting in group policy using gpedit.msc and the one setting i thought i turned off was the one that keep updates from running.
                        I would just turn on filters inside of gpedit.msc and search for the word "update".
                        p purvis

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the suggestions.

                          Steve,
                          it looks like Winaero Tweaker suffers from the same problems as other fixes in that Win10 Home just tweaks it back or now ignores the settings.
                          It looks like Winaero automates the techniques listed elsewhere on the internet, so it's more convenient but no longer reliably stops the updates.



                          George,
                          the hosts file won't block all IP addresses, and Microsoft continually change the IP addresses they use for downloading updates so blocking a single website won't work. But I suspect Win10 will ignore the hosts file anyway, as it ignores all the other settings when it comes to downloading updates.


                          Paul,
                          tweaking the services or stopping them used to work but not now. Win10 updates will just re-install or re-enable them when the computer is next started.


                          Dean,
                          I'd looked at a few of those firewalls but they only block access for apps running on the Android device and not other devices using the Android as a hotspot.

                          There are suggestions that it might be possible to root an Android device first and then install a firewall which could control connections over a hotspot.
                          I'd hoped for something simpler but I might end up having to try rooting a phone to see if it can be done.

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                          • #14
                            I ran into an engineer working for Honeywell Control systems about 6 weeks ago and she was headed offshore to a huge rig.
                            She told me windows 10 updates breaks huge amounts of their software and she was going to the rig only to observe for if something went wrong to rig they were bring back to working order.

                            I missed the post of using windows HOME version. Those HOME versions are really lacking a lot.from my past reading. Actually, i do not even know why Microsoft puts it out.
                            p purvis

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                            • #15
                              Win10 home has more than I'd ever need.
                              In this application, DOS with TCP and a WiFi card would do.

                              The problem isn't Windows 10 (home or otherwise), it's Microsoft's stupidity.

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                              • #16
                                Actually, i do not even know why Microsoft puts it out.
                                ???? Really????
                                Dale

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Paul Dixon View Post
                                  Win10 home has more than I'd ever need.
                                  In this application, DOS with TCP and a WiFi card would do.

                                  The problem isn't Windows 10 (home or otherwise), it's Microsoft's stupidity.
                                  Can you block the app doing updates in the Windows firewall?
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Kurt Kuzba View Post

                                    Can you block the app doing updates in the Windows firewall?
                                    No. Win10 now ignores firewalls when doing updates.

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                                    • #19
                                      I had looked into gpedit and I only found where you can remove access to update feature such that you find in internet explorer and it disables access to from some windows created dialogs in windows 7 but I was able to doing lock down updates on a windows 10'pro machine sbout a year ago. I have since removed the windows 10 machine because it was hard to remote control with our current software.
                                      p purvis

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                                      • #20
                                        wondows 10 diable update registry
                                        https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-t...-via-registry/
                                        I am not sure you would like this approach.
                                        I don't like having to access the administrators account by way of logging in. I just create some batch programs to do changes and I start them with an exe that shells to them with elevated privileges.
                                        I have not used the registry directly but will look at this registry setting soon
                                        p purvis

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