Announcement

**Lance Edmonds** · 9 Mar 2003, 05:58 AM

The PowerBASIC Developers Kit (PBDK) for PB/DOS was discontinued quite a few years ago (due to compatibility problems with Windows 98 and beyond).

PB/Vision is still available for US$20, and it provides GUI-like screens... it requires the app to be running in full-screen mode though. See http://www.powerbasic.com/products/pbvision/

However, I should note that PB/Vision is in "close out" (ie, it'll be discontinued as soon as the last stocks are sold), and only limited support is available.

Finally, you might find some similar shareware libraries at http://www.powerbasic.com/files/pub/pbdos/library/ -- for example PBGUI300 by James C. Fuller.

I hope this helps!

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Lance
PowerBASIC Support
mailto:[email protected][email protected]</A>

**Joep van Steen** · 9 Mar 2003, 07:08 AM

Hi Lance!

Working on Sundays then?

Yes, PBGUI300 I tried, it does not seem to work with PB 3.5.

I don't know if the GUI Toolkit does anyway. I will not use it
under Windows at all, strictly DOS. The included compiled demo
looked exactly like what I am looking for. Even in DOS people
(end users) still apreciate a Windows like interface. Dunno
if you know PowerQuest DriveImage, but the GUI Toolkit for
PowerBASIC creates screens just like that.

PB Vision, I found it complicated to use, and the UI comes close
but is not a 'real' Windows like interface.

Still, maybe someone who ones bought the GUI Toolkit for
PowerBASIC, and doesn't use it any longer wants to sell it to me ...

So, anyone ... you have the GUI Toolkit for PowerBASIC and you
no longer use it, I am interested.

Kind regards,

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Joep

http://www.diydatarecovery.nl

**Matthew Berg** · 9 Mar 2003, 10:49 AM

Working on Sundays then?

No. It was Monday morning in New Zealand when Lance posted his response.

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If you try to make something idiot-proof, someone will invent a better idiot.

**Gary Stout** · 9 Mar 2003, 02:42 PM

I have never heard of the GUI Toolkit for Powerbasic??? What is it
and was it something that PB put out or some other third party
developer? Or is he referring to the PBDK kit that came out several years ago?

Thanks,

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Gary Stout
[email protected]
[email protected]

**Matthias Kuhn** · 9 Mar 2003, 03:25 PM

Hallo Joep,

look at www.powerbasic.de for

Power Basic Tools I+II form Dirk Hilger

they are very good - but the manual is in german perhaps in english?

Regards

Matthias

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**Don Schullian** · 9 Mar 2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Matthew Berg:

Working on Sundays then?

No. It was Monday morning in New Zealand when Lance posted his response.

That's no excuse! He should have realized the time here in Greece and not offended us. Anyhow, it's Whit Monday.

Joep, this may NOT be 100% what you're looking for but you can try Nutz'N'Boltz at www.DASoftVSS.com.

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C'ya
d83

[This message has been edited by Don Schullian (edited March 09, 2003).]

**Tom Hanlin** · 10 Mar 2003, 07:12 AM

If you're referring to EllTech's GUI toolkit, it's been discontinued
for some years now.

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Tom Hanlin
PowerBASIC Staff

**Joep van Steen** · 11 Mar 2003, 02:21 AM

Hello Tom,

Yes I am. After being 'ping-ponged' around between Elltech and
Information Systems in Utah I now understand:

Elltech transfered all rights to InfoSys at some point. Now from
InfoSys I understand all rights were transfered to you in the end.

From no-one I understand why this product is no longer on the
market apart from 'running out of stock'. I do not understand
how this can be in the computer age. We're not talking a physical
product here so how can one run out of stock? Was the toolkit instable,
were there problem?

The demo of this product seems so nice for someone that wants to
create a Windows like GUI.

Anyway, I seem to have another solution now.

Kind regards,

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Joep

http://www.diydatarecovery.nl

**Tom Hanlin** · 11 Mar 2003, 06:58 AM

If I had the time, I might put it out as a free as-is product. But,
there's no docs any more, the source code is atrocious, and I don't
see a great demand for a PowerBASIC DOS-mode GUI-style interface.
Plus, I don't have the time. Sorry.

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Tom Hanlin
PowerBASIC Staff

**Joep van Steen** · 11 Mar 2003, 07:24 AM

Hello,

What does 'atrocious' mean?

But couldn't you just release it as it is? Without support etc.,
as it is. If it works with PB 3.5 I'd be willing to give it a go,
if I am unable to use it because of lack of documentation, I will
not bother you and will just forget about it.

If you want to sent (pressing my luck I know), [email protected] is my email address.

Kind regards,

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Joep

http://www.diydatarecovery.nl

**Matthew Berg** · 11 Mar 2003, 10:59 AM

What does 'atrocious' mean?

atrocious
Exceptionally bad; abominable
-- The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

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If you try to make something idiot-proof, someone will invent a better idiot.

**Tom Hanlin** · 11 Mar 2003, 11:52 AM

I will see if I can dig it up over the weekend.

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Tom Hanlin
PowerBASIC Staff

**Joep van Steen** · 11 Mar 2003, 12:56 PM

Hello,

>>atrocious
Exceptionally bad; abominable<<

Okay thanks!

Tom, I am sorry ... I just may have a solution already.
Mr. Gerhard Kropf in one of the forums mentioned he created a
small lib to build a Windows like GUI. He has sent me the source
for that, plus some examples on how to use it and it is very nice.
It looks slighly less sophisticated than The Toolkit, but it is very
easy to use so I think I'll use that anyway.

Tom I do thank you for your offer to 'dig it up', I really appreciate it!

For anyone else ever in need of a lib to create a GUI for PB DOS,
the lib from Mr. Gerhard Kropf is free so he told me.

Kind regards,

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Joep

http://www.diydatarecovery.nl

**Stephane Fonteyne** · 12 Mar 2003, 01:31 AM

Hallo Joep

Ik ben momenteel bezig met een GUI toolkit dat ik vroeger heb aangekocht
volledig te herschrijven in PBDOS v3.50 was oorspronkelijk bedoeld
voor QuickBASIC 4.50/PDS 7.10 enkel de stukken assembler kan ik niet
omzetten omdat ik niet echt de verschillen ervan weet.
Het gaat om de volgende twee pakketten : GraphPak en GWorkShop
Moest je interesse hebben wil ik die verkopen het zal enkel het
vertaalde werk aanrekenen niet meer die licentie omdat het al te sterk
is veroudert.

Waarom ga je niet over naar de PowerBASIC Console Compiler met gebruik
van ConTools Pro + GfxTools Pro is wel stukken moeilijker omdat
het nogal met Windows programmeren te maken heeft
Maar het loont wel de moeite.

Zeker de moeite waard om PBVision aan te kopen zeergoed product jammer dat er
geen support meer is.

Moest je interesse hebben in GraphPak en GWorkshop laat het mij maar weten
email mij daarover [email protected]

Vraagjes :

1. Welke soort toepassingen ontwikkel je vooral?
2. Kan je goed in assembler programmeren?
3. Hoelang programmeer je al in PBDOS?
4. Heb je plannen over te schakelen naar Windows?
5. Heb jij goede kennis met pointers want ik moet twee programma's maken
met linked list en binary threes maar weet niet hoe je dat moet
doen in PB. Heb wel de pascal code.
6. Kan jij mij dat voor mij eens vertalen van Pascal naar PB code?

Met vriendelijke groetjes
Stephane

Ps: Ik zou voor deze twee vertaalde paketten 4000 BEF vragen

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**Joep van Steen** · 12 Mar 2003, 02:33 AM

Hallo Stephane,

Bedankt voor het aanbod, maar ik heb nu iets waarmee ik alles
kan doen wat ik wil (van die meneer Kropf). Het is eenvouding, maar je kunt
ermee in screen 12 buttons maken, icons gebruiken etc.

1. Welke soort toepassingen ontwikkel je vooral?

Data recovery

2. Kan je goed in assembler programmeren?

Nee, ik ben helemaal geen 'ster', ben verpleegkundige eigenlijk.
Het was allemaal hobby, en al doende leer ik.

3. Hoelang programmeer je al in PBDOS?

Anderhalf jaar ofzo ...

4. Heb je plannen over te schakelen naar Windows?

Nou, niet voor het tooltje waarvoor ik die lib nodig had. Het gaat
er juist om dat je het kunt starten vanaf een DOS diskette zodat
je bijvoorbeeld de partitie tabel kunt herbouwen als die 'weg' is.
Windows starten lukt dan juist vaak niet meer.

5. Heb jij goede kennis met pointers want ik moet twee programma's maken
met linked list en binary threes maar weet niet hoe je dat moet
doen in PB. Heb wel de pascal code.
6. Kan jij mij dat voor mij eens vertalen van Pascal naar PB code?

Geen idee waar je het over hebt ;-) ... sorry.

Ps: Ik zou voor deze twee vertaalde paketten 4000 BEF vragen

He, Stephane ... Verenigd Europe enzo, monetaire unie, in Euros a.u.b. ;-)

Groetjes, Joep

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Joep

http://www.diydatarecovery.nl

**dmacneil** · 12 Mar 2003, 03:39 AM

Joep, Tom:
I once used EllTech's PB3 Toolkit. I have the original distribution disk and the manual (170 pages). I used it successfully, but then switched to PB/Vision when that became available. I still use PB/Vision here at work where most researchers that I program for still use DOS machines interfaced to external hardware. If the folks at PowerBasic want to make this available to others, I'd be glad to send it along. Please email if there is interest.

[email protected]

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Don MacNeil
Instrumentation Engineer
Rutgers University

**Lubos Svoboda** · 12 Mar 2003, 04:06 AM

Hello Joep

You Wrote:

For anyone else ever in need of a lib to create a GUI for PB DOS,
the lib from Mr. Gerhard Kropf is free so he told me.

Could you add some detail or (maybe) download http :-)?

Thanks

Lubos

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Lubos
http://web.fsv.cvut.cz/cp1250/~svobodal/basic/

**Tom Hanlin** · 12 Mar 2003, 08:05 AM

To be clear, the former EllTech GUI Toolkit is not a PowerBASIC product.
I acquired the rights personally a few years back, when it went out of
production. I hope to make it available as a freeware or public domain
tool, at some point. In the meantime, please feel free to share copies
of the existing versions, subject only to the condition that the files
must be complete and unmodified from the original disks. (The files may
be transferred in .ZIP form or other archives, I just don't want to see
partial or modified versions going around).

Thanks for the offer, Don-- I may just take you up on that if I can't
find my copy this weekend!

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Tom Hanlin
PowerBASIC Staff

**Joep van Steen** · 12 Mar 2003, 08:51 AM

Hello,

To Lubos:

As far as I know it is not available for download. I'll ask the
author how he feels about me redistributing it, or if he has
objections against me giving you his email address.

To Don:

I read Tom has no objections against redistributing the toolkit, so
I'd really be intersted in receiving a copy. How can we arrange that?
Is it small enough to be emailed? If so, my email address is:
[email protected]

To Tom:

That's great. I am sorry I am the cause of the extra work during
your weekend ;-)

Kind regards,

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Joep

http://www.diydatarecovery.nl

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