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  • Get modem status?

    How would I get the modem status (Line Status Register /
    Modem Status Register values) for external serial port modems?
    In an attempt to find the answer to my previously posted topic,
    I was perviewing the COMMUNIT.BAS file that ships with PB/DOS 3.5.
    I tried the DsrStatus function and it ALWAYS returned the same value,
    regardless of whether the applicable modem was turned on or off.
    I assume that this is because the modem is an external one, so
    the modem status register is in the modem, not in the system memory?
    If that's the case, how would I go about retrieving its data?

    Thanks for any replies.

    P.S. If a workable solution is uncovered, I will write my OWN
    version of DsrStatus (and Carrier), because PB included
    a copyright notice in the BAS file. 'Sides, I prefer to use
    my own rolled routines, and I have already found the applicable one
    under INT 14 in Ralf's Interrupt Lists.

    ADDED: I just tried the COMMUNIT.BAS Carrier function in a test
    program, and it DID correctly return the status of the connection.
    So, obviously, the Modem Status Register can be culled even for
    external serial port modems. So, why does the DsrStatus function
    ALWAYS return the same value? It does so with PB's version, and with
    my own. My version uses the INT 14 call to do it.


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    Clay C. Clear
    mailto:[email protected][email protected]</A>

    [This message has been edited by Clay Clear (edited October 07, 2002).]

  • #2
    The status registers are a function of the serial port, not the modem.
    It doesn't matter whether it's an internal modem or an external modem.

    I don't remember what the DSR state means, but it may not be
    supported here. Not all serial lines are needed or used by all
    serial devices.

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    Tom Hanlin
    PowerBASIC Staff

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    • #3
      Tom,

      All I know is, the API GetCommStatus (or whatever it's called)
      works correctly in my weather bulletin retrieval program. In
      other words, if one of my modems is turned off, it bumps down to
      the next avaliable serial port. If that modem is not available,
      then it errors out. The 32-bit program checks the DSR status
      to determine if the modem is turned on. First, though, it checks for
      erros in opening the commport, which will be generated if the
      port is already in use by another program. I can't seem to get either
      of these functionalities in a DOS program. <sigh>

      Oh, well, the workaround, 'though quite "inelegant", is obvious.
      Simply have my DOS program create a plain text file that simply
      lists the comm ports to be queried, then call a 32-bit program that
      both checks the availability of the modem, and the DSR status.
      Then it will replace the lines in the TXT file with their respective
      stati. In fact, I can disregard having the DOS program initially create
      the file - it'll simply call the 32-bit program, which will write out
      the stati of all the commports currently on the system, and THEN the DOS
      program can read in the file.

      DSR stands for "data set ready". In other words, is the modem
      available and ready for use? ("data set" refers to the device
      connected to the serial port, NOT the computer ). I *think*,
      anyway. It's been so long since I've read up on modem jargon,
      I can't be certain.

      Thanks for your reply.


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      Clay C. Clear
      mailto:[email protected][email protected]</A>

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      • #4
        To test DSR you need to test the 6th bit in the Modem Status Register... precisely what is done in the "DsrStatus" function in COMMUNIT.BAS.

        However, if you are running under NT/2000/XP, then you're probably getting virtualized port values only, since those OS's virtualize all hardware access to Ring-3 (application-level) programs.

        What level of success do you have on the same hardware but when running in plain DOS mode?

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        Lance
        PowerBASIC Support
        mailto:[email protected][email protected]</A>
        Lance
        mailto:[email protected]

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        • #5
          Lance,

          I too spotted this a long time ago... mentioned it then and got no
          reponse at all when I did.

          P.S. If a workable solution is uncovered, I will write my OWN
          version of DsrStatus (and Carrier), because PB included
          a copyright notice in the BAS file.
          Technically, I think he's absolutely right as to the fact that even
          though the stuff is provided, you actually can't use anything!

          Is there a place anywhere in the documentation, or on the Web site,
          where a disclaimer is provided that the routines may be used by
          anyone who is a valid or licensed user of the PowerBASIC products?

          Thanks ..

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          Mike Luther
          [email protected]
          Mike Luther
          [email protected]

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          • #6
            I'm not sure what confusion there may be here. If you've paid for
            PB/DOS, of course you can use the samples that come with it, just
            like you can use the PB/DOS compiler, which is also copyrighted.
            They'd be of no value at all if you couldn't use them.

            Considering that you can download the samples right here on the
            PB web site, I doubt redistribution terms are onerous. I can look
            into it, if you'd like.

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            Tom Hanlin
            PowerBASIC Staff

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            • #7
              Tom ..

              I'm sure that what PowerBASIC intends with respect to re-distribution
              rights for the source code samples are obviously not what's shown.
              I think all you folks need to do is to post a blanket policy release
              as is really intended on the web site and on the distribution disk(s)
              that covers it.

              Clay is only concerned on getting it absolutely right and PowerBASIC
              is far too good an outfit to fuss with such a notice glitch-a-poo.
              If legal goes along with the issue, it's trivial to cure what he saw...
              If they don't ... then what he saw really is of concern, one would think.




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              Mike Luther
              [email protected]
              Mike Luther
              [email protected]

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              • #8
                The copyright just means that PowerBASIC has the right to set the
                distribution terms, Mike, no more or less. I don't see where this
                is cause for concern or what you mean by "not what's shown".

                I'll be glad to see if I can get the license text posted, though.
                If you're in a hurry, try running the PB/DOS setup-- I imagine it's
                part of the licensing terms you agree to on installation.

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                Tom Hanlin
                PowerBASIC Staff

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                • #9
                  Thanks Tom ..

                  The issue is simple. The code in question I think, is:

                  '====================================================================
                  '
                  ' Serial and Parallel Port Routines for PowerBASIC
                  ' Copyright (c) 1995-97 by PowerBASIC, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
                  '
                  '====================================================================
                  '====================================================================
                  The statement "All Rights Reserved" means EXACTLY what it says it does
                  Tom. It means that the complete code in the file to which that
                  header is displayed may not be used by anyone for anything without
                  the expressed permission of PowerBASIC, as far as this non-lawyer
                  knows.

                  The key to the issue is what constitutes that expression of right
                  to use, where it is displayed, and, for the user of the product,
                  a reasonable declaration of where that modified right exists.

                  PowerBASIC, as far as I know, does not intend for that total reservation
                  of rights to be at all true at all in this case. It *IS* provided for
                  use by a licensee of the product to use the example provided. Heck, it
                  wouldn't be provided unless that were the case!! But the words do mean
                  exactly what they say, to the extent that a modification of that text
                  cannot be found in clear proximity of that restriction, to offer relief
                  from the restriction for any user.

                  No, it's not at all what is wanted. But it stands as written unless
                  it is clearly set forth otherwise. You know, a comma here and the
                  word "except" and so on ... grin.

                  Again, I'm no lawyer. Just an observer.

                  To do what is really wanted, I suspect either of two things must be
                  present in the medium of distribution or someplace in clear public
                  notice. You have to either deliberately modify the EXAMPLE code, file
                  by file, to somehow state that the code is proper for inclusion in source
                  for a licensed user of PowerBASIC code, or ... it's likely good enough
                  for the crew to add a common file in the READ.ME of the source directory,
                  or on the WEB site that provides that relief. That common partial release
                  statement would likely be something to the effect that, "The right to use
                  of all source code examples provided with this product is expressly
                  granted for any licensed user of the PowerBASIC compiler toolset to which
                  these source files are attached, as may be more expressly set forth in
                  the general terms of license for this product or elsewhere."

                  Your legal crew can help you draw it.

                  I hit this exact same thing with what Clay noted many months ago in
                  relation to some of these exact same routines and was forced to do
                  exactly the same thing; re-write the whole lot of them just to be
                  very clear the 'samples' were not included in my work. I asked at
                  the time for explicit relief from that restriction to use the samples.
                  No answer was ever given.

                  So, I had to do exactly what Clay noted; re-write every single one of
                  the examples, variable names, the whole works, just to cover the
                  bases. That's obvioulsy NOT what was ever intended by your very fine and
                  thoughtful outfit ... But the statement, unabated, is clear.

                  Please .. don't shoot the mule. I'm just trying to help.

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                  Mike Luther
                  [email protected]
                  Mike Luther
                  [email protected]

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                  • #10
                    I'm afraid you have some confusion about the nature of copyright
                    law. There's a good casual discussion of the subject in one of the
                    files in the Download section-- might be worth looking over:

                    http://www.powerbasic.com/files/pub/docs/shrware.zip

                    As I said, though, I'll see if I can get the distribution info online.

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                    Tom Hanlin
                    PowerBASIC Staff

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                    • #11
                      Lance,

                      Sorry for taking so darned LONG to follow up. It's just that
                      I've been up to my armpits in programming projects of all kinds.

                      I followed your idea of trying the same test DOS EXE both under
                      Windows and then under pure DOS.

                      The INT 14H routine I had written did not work correctly in
                      either case. So, instead of debugging it, because of time
                      contraints, I simply completely rewrote it using PB's COMMUNIT.BAS
                      DsrStatus's FUNCTION. Once I did that that, it worked correctly.
                      Under Windows, it ALWAYS returned the same result for the serial
                      ports, regardless of whether the modems were turned on or off.
                      It always returned TRUE for viable serial ports, and always returned
                      zero for nonexistent serial ports. Under pure DOS, the same EXE
                      correctly returned zero for both nonexistent ports AND for existing
                      ports where their modems were turned off. For exisitng ports where
                      the modems were turned on, it returned TRUE.

                      So, I think this proves that your theory is correct, about the
                      incorrect repsonses when run under Windows being caused by the
                      fact that Windows virtualizes the ports. This should also
                      explain why the API GetCommModemStatus DOES work correctly
                      from within a 32-bit program, because, since Windows basically, "owns" the
                      ports, it should "know" what their stati are.

                      Thanks for your insight, Lance. Once again, I apologize for my tardy
                      response. I posted this followup so other Forums members can
                      see what might be causes to their problems of a similar nature.

                      Note that my version of the CarrierFUNCTION also failed to work.
                      When I rewrote it, this time using PB's COMMUNIT.BAS's version, it
                      worked correctly. Also note that it works correctly also under
                      Windows, unlike the DsrStatus function. I do not know why
                      my versions did not work. As I said, I did not take the time
                      to debug them.

                      Tom,

                      Thank you very much for your clarification of the copyright
                      status of the COMMUNIT.BAS' routines. I am quite happy
                      that you commented on them, as I now know that I may use
                      them in my production code, which I wish to do, since my own
                      versions did not work correctly, whereas PB's did.


                      ADDED: The test DOS EXE was run on my Win98SE box.

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                      Clay C. Clear

                      [This message has been edited by Clay Clear (edited October 17, 2002).]

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