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  • Matthias Kuhn
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    Hi Thomas,

    I´ve searched Your examples on Your Web-Side - but without success.

    Where can I get it ?

    Best Regards

    Matthias Kuhn ([email protected])

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  • Thomas Gohel
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    On 26 Oct 02, in article "Re: Printing under Dos", Matthias Kuhn wrote:

    Hello Matthias,

    > I've found the solution myself onto the HP.com sides.
    > Basical Printing - using PCL3 Printer language - is possible
    > under Dos6.22, Dosmode of Win 95 98 ... I think it is also on OS2.
    >
    > Both printer are of course with Parallel Port and USB !!!

    Do you have vhm-pqb2.zip, hp500txt.zip and hp-fonts.bas (some examples
    for HP printers)?

    Regards,

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  • Mike Luther
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    Gary ..

    I have been following the thread here and was just curious if
    OS/2 was still alive and did it advance any further than version
    Warp 4.0? I always like it, but it as well as Linux didn't have
    a good bridge to be able to use Windows programs. You can reply
    to me directly if you would like since this isn't really PB related.
    You might also pass along the OS/2 newsgroup address.
    It just may turn out that it is far more related to PB than most
    may want to admit for a while.

    If all ability to run PB 3.5 in any fully operational way that it now
    runs for printing, upper memory, operational stability, is gone because
    nothing is left supported, operational, or serviced except WIN-XP, soon,
    then there are only a very few, but *VERY* good and *STABLE* choices
    on which to base some very important work upon PB 3.5. That work may
    simply not be moved to the WIN world for any number of technical and
    very good legal reasons.

    The remaining choices may only be such things as IBM's PC-DOS V7,
    which is Y2K certified, Caldera DOS, etc. That and .. of all things,
    the DOS-VDM's in IBM's OS/2. That is, in my humble opinion, a VERY
    sobering thought and others are welcome to their own views.

    So that we may be very clear on what that means in relation to PB and
    OS/2 and DOS-VDM's as of this date and how important that may be to PB
    in the future, we need to summarize the facts. IBM's OS/2 is solidly
    available as what is currently Version 4.52 at this time, either through
    Software Choice at IBM or sold by dozens of other places. The current
    version is a complete CD-ROM bootable and installable operation, with
    full support, as far as I know, for all the huge IDE, SCSI drives and
    most MB's that seem to pop up these days, including USB.

    The entire IBM T23 or T30 Laptop series, IBM M41 and M42 Desktop series,
    M220-225 and M230-235 Server series, including ServRaid 5: are fully
    available on OS/2, if you like. A huge number of other hardware choices
    are also compatitble with the system. IBM will be quite happy to work
    with anyone wanting this pathway. That includes interface and help all
    the way through the S390 main frame game as well has help for getting your
    data stored and permanently guaranteed to be available for the next 25
    years or so on demand with the big tape farm IBM game. You know, the IBM
    sites about a third bigger than a football field filled with rack after
    relay rack of 8214 archive tape drives and so on.

    A second alternative to the regular IBM route to working with it is via
    a third-party interface and packager for IBM OS/2, Version 4.52, a group
    known as eCs, short for EcomStation. The eCs group has a different
    installer and different approach to getting the system together than the
    IBM way of doing things, but both they and IBM's game is now solidly based on
    CD-ROM installation. The eCs experience includes a competely bootable
    CD-ROM that can deliver a full operational system complete with a trove
    of sampler utilities just like throwing in a bootable floppy of old. That
    treasure trove of goodies includes Lotus Smart Suite for OS/2, as well as
    the RSJ CD-ROM burner tools for OS/2 and many other of the serious tools
    which are needed by the greater part of users to may serious use of their
    investment. For the inquisitors here, the Lotus Smart Suite game will
    release in version 1.7 shortly for OS/2, to bring it into interface ability
    with M/S office stuff. I use mine all the time for accessing WIN stuff that
    is sent to me over the Net...

    The Version 4.51/4.52 current. very much alive and well version of OS/2
    represents IBM's very proper maintenance cost cutting job to merge the
    old Version 3 Server kernel and the Warp 4 kernel into one kernel which
    supports all the operations, including the full Symetric Multi-Processing
    game on at least a fair number of such MB's. That's important to the PB
    issue on these boxes for two basic reasons. The entire PB 3.5 experience
    will this go back all the way to even Pentium 100's and even, as I have
    here in one box ... even old Adaptec 1542 SCSI ISA cards, for example.
    That while all the way into the very future of today! And, in the case
    of the stuff of the future, the 4.52 kernel is fully THREAD oriented
    PRE-EMPTIVE multi-processing. It is able to orchestrate not only a PB
    operation as others may know it, by process and CPU, but by threads.

    Support for the entire 4.52 operation is guaranteed at this point, out
    to December 31, 2004, as I know it. However, the viability of the whole
    system has been extended so many times, one way or another, on beyond
    those kind of dates, it is almost humerous. As well, it has been noted
    that EOSL for creating a new Convenience Pack, does *NOT* mean that the
    continued work on device driver interfaces and so on needed isn't going
    to be there. Case in point. Warp 3.0 Connect is still a completely
    viable platform today for PowerBASIC in a DOS-VDM, thoroughly Y2K tested
    and compliant .. even after 34 official fixpacks!

    The current Fixpack level for the Aurora (Server side) and Modular (Peer
    and Client side) Convenience packs is now XR_C003 which was just released
    October 23, 2002, with file dates of October 21, 2002, as well. As well,
    Fixpack XR_F001 has been issued for A/MCP2 which cures and stabilizes the
    entire system for memory use beyond 512MB of main memory. I think the
    disk drive limit on it now is perhaps what, 64 Terrabytes? Slightly more
    than PB 3.5 for DOS can handle, at least.

    Of course, chuckle, IBM doesn't market any of this in stores, any more than
    they have for a long time! They have made great strides in making the
    installation and auto-configuration of the system to all the various kinds
    of hardware and device drives FAR better than it used to be. But it is still
    no match for the ease in which the WIN world can gobble up the latest and
    greatest trinkets off the shelf! I stress; it is still *NOT* for any of the
    faint of heart nor normal home computer capable person sorta not half familiar
    with networking - the whole 9 yards. Nor will IBM or eCs help you for free
    with it either. You'll spend a lot of time working with the usegroups to get
    along in this world. It is *NOT* a small home game; never was, in my view.

    One way or another, it will cost you a couple hundred USA bucks to guarantee
    that you will have a full solid op system platform on which to base a PB 3.5
    project until far past 2004, if the system is working with standard tech
    specs for DOS at this point in time, as I see it.

    Now for thousands of boxes, embedded or otherwise, these costs can come down
    a fair amount I suppose. I know that here at Texas A&M University, on the
    other side of the coin, M/S is selling XP to students and staff for FIVE
    dollars each ($5) now! IBM is known to compete. A true provable student
    discount could, and may still get you the entire IBM brand new Visual Age
    C++ compiler set for OS/2, WIN and AIX for about $16 plus shipping into the
    USA. PowerBASIC will not likely match that but the product, to me is far
    easier to work with and worth the money asked for it.

    As well, the Connectix crew, through license with Innotek can totally enable
    a complete WIN-XP, or any flavor of WIN, or ALL of them on the SAME box at the
    SAME time, as totally secure OBJECTS under OS/2 4.52! You may also go the
    other way around and play this game from WIN-NT, or WIN XP and so on as well!
    That ALSO includes the ability to run Red Hat 7.3 Linux as a GUEST under at
    least OS/2 4.52, and I think, under the WIN world as well! Absolutely no
    dual boot whatever. The entire GUEST experience is nothing other than a
    secured ICON on the desktop that is totally run in protective threaded CPU and
    memory space, at least in the OS/2 side of things.

    I hae no idea about the reverse from WIN. I don't run WIN here.

    That would make a major development project like PowerBASIC faces in moving
    the PowerBASIC toolset to LINUX an awfully easy thing to do ... grin ...
    under OS/2, of all things! You get all three platforms on every box and
    everything can see the hard disk protected from this and that as well!

    This is *NOT* an advocacy post in any manner. If you want to research any of
    this you can log on to:

    From IBM:

    http://www-3.ibm.com/software/os/warp/
    http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-...a/softupd.html
    http://ps.software.ibm.com/pbin-usa-...rservices.html
    http://www-3.ibm.com/software/os/warp/support/
    http://service.boulder.ibm.com/asd-b...en_us/home.htm
    http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/?loc=tbocat

    After which you can do a GOOGLE search for Software Choice and whittle
    down the cost some what as opposed to direct from IBM, I think. One note!
    The IBM Developer Works Professional subscription will get you so darn
    many CD-ROM's in a year's time you will likely DROWN in them! That will
    include a complete OS/2 full professional server license, about a $1200
    value, as well as the same thing for everything for WIN to LINUX to AIX
    and Domino and almost EVERYTHING you could dream of for tool kits, as
    well as, of course a new copy of Warp 4.0 ... for about #350 US or so.

    Highly rewarding.

    After you swallow all this and begin to think about how PowerBASIC 3.5 for
    DOS can survive for the next ten years or so profitably and well for you,
    you might continue your search at the following to crystallize things:

    Try EcomStation at:
    http://www.ecomstation.com/

    Many would be dumbfounded at what they will see there.

    Then to pin-point your decision as to how to cross platform develop on
    all the things for the future, I suggest you visit:

    http://www.connectix.com/index_win.html

    then ..

    http://www.finnsoft.com/html/virtualpc.htm

    I suggest you pay PARTICULAR attention to the ability to run LINUX
    Red Hat 7.3 under this game. It may be the most important card in your
    hand of all of them for life in the fast lane of 5 years from now.

    Please ... now go surfing. And do not shoot the mule! From Colleridge's
    Ancient Mariner:

    "I pass like night from land to land and have strange powers of speech.
    .... to him my tale I teach!"

    and .. last but not least ..

    "A sadder but a wiser man he woke the morrow morn."

    Now I do not necessarily like IBM any more than certain folks at PB, ya'll.
    But I darned well respect them, as well as the folks at PowerBasic. Perhaps
    some of you will now see why I say I really smyptathize with them for what
    they face in the future as well.

    All I want to do is maintain my work and viability for the next 5-10 years
    into the future, at the same time I also optimize my chances for moving into
    it on what ever terms it deals me. And I want to be able to understand
    and act on "Gee" and "Haw" as well. chuckle.



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    Mike Luther
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  • Gary Stout
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    Hi Mike,
    I have been following the thread here and was just curious if
    OS/2 was still alive and did it advance any further than version
    Warp 4.0? I always like it, but it as well as Linux didn't have
    a good bridge to be able to use Windows programs. You can reply
    to me directly if you would like since this isn't really PB related.
    You might also pass along the OS/2 newsgroup address.

    Thanks,


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  • Mike Luther
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    Matt!

    Please post the applicable pointers to that information for me. I need
    to dig into that and also post it into the OS/2 usegroups for more
    learning there. It is obvious that USB has to be a support route for
    any of this into the future, at least to me.

    Eweek's October 21, 2002, issue on page 12 covers the fact that Intel is
    conceding 64-bit desktops to IBM and AMD. That specifically focuses out
    the IBM 64 bit CPU, both as Apple direct and what may yet pop into focus
    for IBM users in the desktop world of Z and it's emulative object capability
    as we already see totally in OS/2. Infoworld's October 21, 2002, issue on
    page 56 covers the Microsoft XP license agreement clause which automatically
    grants MS, the right to "download onto your computer such security updates
    that a secure content owner has requested", even though those updates, "may
    affect your ability to copy, dispaly, and/or play Secured Content through
    Microsoft software or third party applications."

    As the issue over right to access all medical information and what I think
    we will find to be limitation of push technology comes to focus in the
    HIPAA and its workout, it may become far more important than many people
    think to have access still to the very much alive OS/2 and MAC game. That
    in regard to the obviously very much alive DOS access that either does
    exist there or will exist there in 64 bit operations as well.

    Information like you are pointing us toward for USB may very well be the only
    way to use any of the PowerBASIC products at all in medicine once M/S drops
    support and fixes for problems in any but WIN XP as of what I think is to be
    the end of this year. A totally server based client operating system that
    has to be related to Empire Central in order to even operate and continue bed
    side and other critical services, in my humble opinion, simply will not be allowed
    into existence where a person can die just because this or that did or didn't get
    into it routinely from afar.

    There's far too much at stake I betcha, in lots of other PB 3.5 code out there
    for dedicated systems, to not research things like you point us toward..


    Thanks


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  • Matthias Kuhn
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    Hi everybody,

    sorry for asking You and thanks for answere.

    I´ve found the solution myself onto the HP.com sides.

    Basical Printing - using PCL3 Printer language - is possible

    under Dos6.22, Dosmode of Win 95 98 ... I think it is also on OS2.

    Both printer are of course with Parallel Port and USB !!!

    Best regards

    Matthias Kuhn

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  • Clay Clear
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    Mike,

    Sorry for not replying, but I simply have no answer that I *can*
    give, as I know absolutely NOTHING about OS/2. Sorry.


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  • Mike Luther
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    Clay .. and others,

    Nobody has posted any reply whatsoever in the OS/2 Applications Usegroup
    on the crosspost I made there. I submitted the question as to whether
    DOS printing would work in OS/2's implementation of USB operations.
    Thought that it might pose no problem in that the complete cross-object
    translations are normally done by OS/2 even between WIN and so on.

    I have seen notes that suggest the USB experience for other USB devices
    doesn't seem to matter for access for camera cards, plug-in PCMIA cards
    and so on for file writing even in DOS.

    Zero answer yet...

    I have a USB box I could test all this on, but no USB devices with which
    to play fun and games on, let alone a USB printer,.


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  • Clay Clear
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    Gary,

    Lance's library will not work for him. While Lance's library
    is intended for use BY DOS programs, it still requires Windows to
    be able to run, as it is actually a Win32 app. Matthias was asking
    about being able to print with the printers under "plain DOS".


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  • Gary Stout
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    Matthias,
    Have you taken a look at Lance's DOSPRINT software?
    It may do what you are needing. He has a demo version that
    you can download and try at www.dosprint.com

    Give that a try and see if it will work for you.

    HTH,

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  • Clay Clear
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    If they run under USB, then most likely the answer is "no," as DOS
    does not support USB. Other than that, I cannot answer your question,
    as I am not familiar with those specific printers.



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  • Matthias Kuhn
    started a topic Printing under Dos

    Printing under Dos

    Hi,

    does anyone know if the latest printer of HP:

    Deskjet 3820 and Deskjet 6122 are

    printing at all under pure Dos 6.22 ???

    I´ve printer codes for the HP-PCL printer language so

    rest ist possible.

    Best Regards

    Matthias Kuhn

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