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**Andrew Peskin** · 1 Oct 2000, 04:50 PM

Sounds Really interesting ...

Where can I read about/get more information on PBSEdit?

Regards,

Andrew Peskin
[email protected]

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**Steve Hutchesson** · 1 Oct 2000, 05:15 PM

Michael,

The idea you have sounds like a very interesting one. I agree with the
view that you can have a user friendly interface and some low level grunt
to make the output fast and small. I don't believe that you can only have
one or the other.

I would be interested to see what you had in mind for the "object"
component of this code/IDE design. The example Form1.Button1.Caption =
"Cancel" is a straight transformation to procedural code which is minimum
in size and fast.

We had some very good ideas posted by some of the members on low level OOP
design that was aimed at small & fast code and I think the idea you have
is one with a lot of potential. Please let us know what you consider is
worthwhile as the PowerBASIC staff kep a good eye on what happens in the
forum.

Regards,

[email protected]

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**Michael Purkhardt** · 1 Oct 2000, 07:26 PM

You can see/download PBSEdit from http://pbsedit.freeservers.com

Steve,

I also believe that having both is ideal, without the need to
make PBDLL another VB, requiring a 2MB DLL, or like Delphi,
having to work in an IDE environment. That's why I started PBSEdit.

The "transformation" is also ideal for PB. It doesn't require any
modifications to the PBDLL compiler, and again, that's what
PBSEdit is for.

My goals are...

1) PBSEdit will implement new keywords which PB lacks.
For example, the WITH keyword, used like this...

WITH CustRec
Name = "Mike"
Phone = "987-6543"
Age = "30"
END WITH

..is much better than this...

CustRec.Name = "Mike"
CustRec.Phone = "987-6543"
CustRec.Age = "30"

...especially when working on structured data files.

2) A form designer, which includes OCX. PBSEdit will write all
the low level PB codes neccessary to handle all the forms and
controls. This also includes all events such as OnMouseOver,
OnClick etc.

3) PBSEdit will have a code/form editor similar to that of VB and Delphi.

4) PBSEdit will not generate any DLLs to be included with the EXE.
That is, PBSEdit will ONLY translate new keywords and OOP to the
native PB syntax before running the PB compiler and make the EXE.
This includes all low level codes for creating all forms and
controls, event etc.

5) It'll sell for only $2,995.95 - JUST KIDDING

I'm not sure yet, but I do not plan on making it free. It's a
very sophisticated program and requires allot of tricks and time,
programming expertise etc. So, the making of PBSEdit will make
me poor and I'll need to provide support and fix bugs. But
until then, it's not for sell, it's under development.

I think that PBSEdit and PBDLL would be an excellent package.

-Michael-

**Ivan Iraola** · 1 Oct 2000, 08:26 PM

Michael,

I'd like to see your application, but I've been unable to download it,
I keep getting errors from the server (maybe is too busy), if you
don't mind, would you please email it to mailto:[email protected][email protected]</A>

Thanks

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Ivan Iraola

**Michael Purkhardt** · 1 Oct 2000, 08:50 PM

Ok, I just did. I'm in the process of getting my own web site.
I did, but got all my servers stolen by my employees while on
a trip. They totally put me out of business. I had web hosting
and 5 products I was selling. SoftByteLabs.com must ring a bell
to the guys at PB

-Michael-

**Ivan Iraola** · 1 Oct 2000, 08:56 PM

Thanks for the file Mike.

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Ivan Iraola

**Steve Hutchesson** · 1 Oct 2000, 10:05 PM

Michael,

Sorry to hear about the loss of the servers but this one may be
the comeback trail for you. I got the download second try and it
is starting to shape up well. I thought the form editor was starting
to look good.

Regards,

[email protected]

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**Michael Purkhardt** · 1 Oct 2000, 10:14 PM

Thank you Steve. I'm glad you like it. I hope PBSEdit will be
the killer app companion of PBDLL and put me back on my feet so
that I can improve more and more on the IDE/OOP project.

Regards,
Michael

**Andrew Lindsay** · 1 Oct 2000, 11:19 PM

Michael,

I have downloaded the App, and it looks great. I can't
wait to see what else you have in store for it.

When you get the code generation going, I think it will
be fantastic.

Regards

Andrew

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**Michael Purkhardt** · 1 Oct 2000, 11:37 PM

Thanks Andrew. I hope there will be enough PB users that will
want it to make it worth while to develop. It's time consuming
since the whole thing is written using the Windows API only.

Regards,
Michael

**jcfuller** · 2 Oct 2000, 05:00 AM

Michael,
I have a copy of PBSEdit that I downloaded from (?) dated March 3,2000.
The file sizes of the one you link to here and the one I already have are
identical. Are they the same application??

James

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**Chris Boss** · 2 Oct 2000, 05:06 AM

Michael;

Would you be interested in supporting the "Open Source Power AddOns"
specification (wizards) I am working on ?

Kev Peel is already in the process of adding it to his PowerIDE
and we hope that PowerBasic may jump on the bandwagon and use it
when it is finished. The basic interface between the IDE and the
AddOns is already developed and "very" easy to impliment in an IDE.

The specs for PowerAddOns that I am designing is both "Open Source"
and free for any IDE or Wizard developer to use. By making it free
to all, I hope it will catch on and become a standard for AddOns
(Wizards) for all PB IDEs !

My Visual Designers will be converted to AddOn format so they will
easily integrate into the IDE.

Your IDE looks very interesting and the "pre-processing" technique
sounds very useful.

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**Mike Joseph** · 2 Oct 2000, 06:08 AM

Michael, I think what you're doing is fine, specially the
generation of code for the user interface components. But as
for the OOP stuff, I hope that a future version of PB or
ObjectBASIC (wishful thinking im beginning to think) makes what
you're doing unnecessary. I dont want to discourage you, I
just want to make my feelings known that such a solution for
OOP is not an acceptable one to me.

Steve made the comment:
"Please let us know what you consider is worthwhile as the
PowerBASIC staff kep a good eye on what happens in the
forum."

To which I must re-itterate my position that I sincerely hope
PB does not need to gather ideas from users (especially considering
the limited viewpoints -by virtue of the limited number of people
who have been responding- expressed on this BBS) on how to
implement OO or even whether to implement it at all in hopes that
someone else creates an IDE which can simulate the coding
experience for the user. If PB _wants_ this type of information,
they should post an article to this BBS stating exactly what
type of information/feedback they want/need at the least.

-Mike

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**Chris Roebuck** · 2 Oct 2000, 08:19 AM

Michael,
I would like to see your PBSEdit product, however, I get an
authentication required dialog when I try to download it from
your website. Can you please send me a copy to mailto:[email protected][email protected]</A> .

Thanks,
Chris Roebuck

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[This message has been edited by Chris Roebuck (edited October 02, 2000).]

**Tom Hanlin** · 2 Oct 2000, 08:59 AM

We are always interested in hearing suggestions. We are not inclined
to demand that people make specific kinds of suggestions.

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Tom Hanlin
PowerBASIC Staff

**Michael Purkhardt** · 2 Oct 2000, 10:42 AM

James,

Yes it is the same app. If you remember me from SoftByte Labs,
I posted to the news group about PBSEdit and you downloaded
it from my web site, http://SoftByteLabs.com/PBSEdit/ which no
longer exist. I had to leave real fast on a family emergency,
and like an idiot, trusted my manager to take care of business
and of my house. Well, that was the biggest mistake I've ever
did in my life. They completely emptied my house, and then my
office with all the 12 servers I had. They formatted all the HD
and sold the servers. So now I'm out of business. I tell you
how much backups are important. My source codes to all my apps
is all I have left.

-Michael-

**Michael Purkhardt** · 2 Oct 2000, 11:21 AM

To: Mike Joseph

I think you have the wrong idea Mike. The point that everyone
have been making all along on OOP was, they don't want PB to be
another VB, end of the line. Even if the guys at PB makes an IDE,
they will have to make it stand alone, and another product, like
PowerGen. Everyone wanted PowerGen, but it's primitive, better
make an IDE instead.

You know what PB is all about right? Now, lets suppose the guys
at PB makes an IDE. They'll need more time, programmers, tech etc.
Therefor, the price will increase, less sales. Another VB born.

Let the third parties make attachments to PB, and whoever wants
them can purchase them. Unless PB wants to compete with VB and
Delphi, which in my opinion, Delphi is hard to beat. You can also
make a 16k app with Delphi (if you want to know how, I have the
source for it) which is basically the same as the PB skeleton
sample program. Delphi also support ASM coding like PB.

My idea of PBSEdit is not for the guys at PB to copy and integrate
one just like it with PBDLL. My idea is to continue having the
guys at PB work on a better compiler, faster, better coding etc.
while third parties makes attachments. More like OCX for VB.

You see, if PB starts what we start, we better all switch to VB
or Delphi. Why? Because the price will increase and so as the
compiled app size. We'll no longer have a 10k app, and that's what
nobody wants. We want power (as the product name implies) and
the ability to control our apps at the lowest level. OOP is for
those who don't really care about size, and don't know much about
the Windows API.

BTW, that's why PB now has DDT and almost dump PowerGen (half price).
Because it's easier to use than PowerGen. But it should stop right
there. Low level commands to create dialogs and controls is fine,
and that's what DDT does.

If the guys at PB turn PBDLL into PBIDE, you could call it...
PowerDelhi not PowerBasic

BTW, PBSEdit stand for PowerBasicSuperEditor. That's the best I
could come up with at the time!

Let me ask, what's so wrong about an external IDE/OOP translator
for PBDLL where only those who need it will use it, without any
changes to the PBDLL compiler?

-Michael-

**Michael Purkhardt** · 2 Oct 2000, 11:23 AM

To: Chris Boss

I've received your email and will reply via email also.

-Michael-

**Michael Purkhardt** · 2 Oct 2000, 11:26 AM

To: Chris Roebuck

I just email you the file. Only 40k.

I have no idea why the link doesn't work! It does for me here.
But again, we can't expect much from a free server.

-Michael-

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