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    hello,

    i changed from dos to windows. its a new world and i miss here
    some helps or steps how to use pb to make windows-programms.

    i have the new version 6.0. but all i read in the helpfile or
    in the forums there is no explaination how to do it.
    there are many books written about windows programming, but im
    looking for simple examples what should a programm include,
    what functions needs a programm. there are so many differences
    between the codes in pb i have look.
    in pb for dos i have a small book and an good explaination and
    examples how to do and what it needs.

    when i read the windowsexplaination there are some that remember
    me on the dos, but there are no details.

    i look for simply examples, what should be in an programm and some
    detailed explains for the use of powerbasic in windows.
    (needs of an programm and the explain for it)

    is there some like this to read?

    ludwig

    PS: i have the book from petzold about windows. its for c and
    much for windows, but not for pb



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    Ludwig Lintz
    Germany
    [email protected]

  • #2
    This is an excellent question, Ludwig. Where to start. Unfortunately,
    there is no "PowerBasic for absolute beginners" manual, as I know of.
    Think PB should consider doing one, since that helps bringing in a new
    generation of PB developers to the fantastic world of PB. A couple
    of tips:

    1. Open up the samples that came with PB6. Start with "Hello World",
    and work your way through them all. Look at the code in the editor,
    look up keywords in the helpfile and compile/run the code to see what
    it does.

    2. Read the helpfile. There are several good chapters about how to use
    PB there. Read entire user's guide and browse through the reference
    guide. That will take you a long way, I promise. Print out pages
    if you like that better. I always do, because I read and understand
    printed text better than on-screen.

    3. Look at the samples in the Source Code Forum here. These samples
    can be copied and pasted into your PB editor, after which you usually
    just have to compile them to see what they do. There are many hundreds
    of nice little utilities and even some complete programs there for
    you to examine, and use a base for your own programs.


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    • #3
      You know, truthfully, how I learned?
      That simple SKELETON program in the PBDLL60\Samples directory!!
      It's a great simple program that will teach you the basic concepts of a Windows program!

      Then there is the source code forum where people post code. I find that if I see something I like I end up modifying it to fit my needs and that helps me learn too...

      I'm no expert by far, but I just take things apart to learn them, and it helps!

      I can send you a very simple program I wrote, I think I documented it very well, just takes a MAC address and swaps the bits on it, email me if you'd like a copy.

      Scott

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      • #4
        Petzold stuff is translated to PB in the files section...


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        • #5
          I have been learning ?? to write Windows programmes for years
          and, until last year, quite unsuccessfully.
          I have tried Borland's CA-Realiser, Microsoft's VB, PowerBasic's
          PBDK and finally, PBDLL60. Like Scott, it was samples which came
          with PBDLL60 that set me on the right track.
          Then I came across software by Chris Boss, EZGUI, which made the
          writing of Windows code quite simple. I always found entering code
          for Windows text boxes, list boxes, combo boxes, etc. a complete
          waste of time because it took so long to work out all the numbers
          to put in.
          With EZGUI I don't have to do that.
          Having done all the time-wasting work with EZGUI, I have the
          benefit of the PBDLL system of writing code to make it all work.
          Though just an amateur (I am a newspaper editor who loves writing
          computer programmes) I am producing code faster all the time with
          these two development systems.
          Having experienced wasting a lot of time with other development
          systems myself, I would imagine "real" programmes would be saving
          an enormous amount of time using PBDLL60
          The part that really helps is the assistance you will get from
          PB people and contributors to this board. In the newspaper industry
          we use quite a few off-the-shelf programmes and I find this board
          leaves all the others for dead when it comes to getting advice and help.
          Try out PBDLL60. You'll soon get the hang of it and, like me,
          wondered why you persisted with DOS for so long.
          Regards,
          Brian Reynolds.


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          Brian.

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          • #6
            I began with learning PowerBASIC also with the Samples and SourceCode
            Section of this Forum. But my knowledge in VB was also very usefull
            for my work with PB.

            Originally posted by Brian Reynolds:
            Then I came across software by Chris Boss, EZGUI, which made the
            writing of Windows code quite simple. I always found entering code
            for Windows text boxes, list boxes, combo boxes, etc. a complete
            waste of time because it took so long to work out all the numbers
            to put in.
            With EZGUI I don't have to do that.
            EZGUI? Yes, I know this lil' product and I know, that Chris Boss has
            done a very, very good work!

            But I think the code, EZGUI produces is too big (for me )!
            I preffer Dialogs, created with the Dialog Editor from VC++ 6.0 or one of the Freeware
            Dialog Editors. Ans in combination with some Code from Steve Hutchesson's "DialogBuilder" you can
            create really good looking GUI's. Ok, EZGUI supports some Elements, you can't create with
            a Dialog Designer. But I don't need special Elements like Grid's or something like this(
            btw, does EZGUI support Grid's? *grin*). And for beginners (and advanced Programmers, too),
            Dialog's are a very good entrance to the "World of Win32 GUI Programming" (from my point of view).

            regards,
            Sven

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            • #7
              Sven;

              I offer two different Freeware Visual Designers for generating
              DDT code for PB !

              The Freeware Visual Designer can generate a hello World
              program which is only 27 KB in size !

              The Lite Version of this Designer can produce a hello world
              program which is only 14 KB in size !

              The smallest you could probably create using pure API code is
              probably 8 KB in size.

              I think the size of the apps produced using these tools, added to
              the fast development cycle of using a RAD tool is excellent.

              I have one customer who uses both EZGUI 1.0 and my Freeware Visual
              Designer for those apps that need to be small. He tells me the
              DDT apps he produces using my Freeware Visual Designer makes the
              mouths of the Company C programmers drop, when they see how fast
              he produces apps which have as small as (if not smaller than) a
              footprint of C programs.

              I doubt you will find much better that offers both speed of
              development and small sized apps.

              Note: the EZGUI Freeware Visual Designer supports some things not
              found in Dialog Editors (Colors for controls and layers).


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              Chris Boss
              Computer Workshop
              Developer of "EZGUI"
              http://cwsof.com
              http://twitter.com/EZGUIProGuy

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              • #8
                Ludwig,

                I was in the same situation as you a few months ago. I found
                that the biggest thing to help me so far is to download the program
                called POFFS by Borje Hagsten (about 10 megs). It is an offline
                viewer of all old posts from this message board. It is amazing
                what some of the gurus here talk about.

                The link to POFFS is....
                http://www.tolken99.com/pb/pbfile_e.htm




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                Paul Squires
                [email protected]
                Paul Squires
                FireFly Visual Designer (for PowerBASIC Windows 10+)
                Version 3 now available.
                http://www.planetsquires.com

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                • #9
                  Great Question!

                  The only way I know to learn a vast subject like this is just pick somwhere to start and start. I am creating an app and DLL that is slowly getting to the point where it will do what I want. I have 40 versions so far. Some that start from scratch.

                  We are very lucky to have a few extreemly kind souls that answer questions here and provide examples. The working examples are particulary usefull because you can putz around with it for hours to see what does what. Thank you all those people!

                  Dialogs are a great place to start, and use the SDK help file.

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                  Kind Regards
                  Mike

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                  • #10
                    Ludwig,

                    Its a path we have all had to take at one time or another, I did it the
                    old hard way about 10 years ago in C with the SDK of the time so being
                    able to make the shift from DOS to 32 bit windows in a language as clean
                    as PowerBASIC will not be anywhere as much hassle.

                    The POFFS database is very useful, the Petzold examples in PB are worth
                    having and any of the toys/code from various members of this forum will
                    go a long way to getting you started.

                    You are welcome to download my code generating tools at,
                    http://www.pbq.com.au/home/hutch/pbdll50.htm (I will rename the page one day.

                    Once you get the swing of how it all works, you will have a lot of fun
                    playing with a real language that can do so many things.

                    Regards,

                    [email protected]

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                    hutch at movsd dot com
                    The MASM Forum

                    www.masm32.com

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