my confusion was mostly due to lack of practice, and wondering if I forgot one
thanx again guys for the lil kick in the head I needed to verify what for me was "Lost Knowledge" was not as lost as I 1st thought it was

___________________________ -| / | |\ | / | | \ |--- Height / | | \ | / | | \ | / | | \ -| | | | | | | | | |Ramp1-|--------Travel---------|Ramp2|----- | | | | | | |-------------- TOTAL -------------| Typically Trapazoid = (1/2 Ramp1) + Travel + (1/2 Ramp2) Formula = Ramp1 + Travel + Ramp2 where: Ramp1 = Time1 Travel = Time2 Ramp2 = Time2 so: Ramp 1 = 1/2 total ramp up and down Ramp 2 = 1/2 total ramp up and down Travel = what is left over
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