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  • #21
    First it was going to be Help 2.0 and now they say it will be MAML. Eventually it will come,
    From what I gather, MAML, or some variation of it is the cause of some of the issues with Vista. I can believe this because the Vista help system leaves a lot to be desired. I have found it better to search the web for solutions than to use the misdirecting help offered by Vista. I'm beginning to think that the search option is insinuated into that help system, and/for these are the two items about Windows that I find difficult.

    I'm really wondering about some of the help issues, the further I dig into this.
    I'm thinking that an application that uses multiple libraries may require some sort of unique help on things that appear in those other libraries, and as the author of the application, am I entirely responsible for the help needed because of one or more of those libraries?

    Not that any of that is germane to my immediate needs, but I can see why M$ is trying to get some sort of handle on the situation.
    Rod
    In some future era, dark matter and dark energy will only be found in Astronomy's Dark Ages.

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    • #22
      They simply don't want to spend their costly time in order to find out how to unlock the content of just a simple help file.
      This suggests using an installer program might be in order. If the user can run the installer EXE he won't have to worry about the "downloaded file, blocked" thing.
      Michael Mattias
      Tal Systems (retired)
      Port Washington WI USA
      [email protected]
      http://www.talsystems.com

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Michael Mattias View Post
        This suggests using an installer program might be in order. If the user can run the installer EXE he won't have to worry about the "downloaded file, blocked" thing.
        Well, I intended to suggest the opposite. After all a file inside a downloaded installer package is a file from a remote computer. So I was thinking that the HTML help files we carefully create for our customers would also be affected by this "security" update.

        In the meantime I've tested it, using Inno Setup to create a setup.exe file. After creation I uploaded it to my website and then downloaded/installed it. The help file was accessible without any hick-up. Not only programmatically (via the application's help menu or F1), but also directly in Windows Explorer by double clicking the file name. So no problem with "installed" .chm-files?

        Note: I've tested this with only 1 installing tool. Don't know anything about other brands.

        Egbert Zijlema, journalist and programmer (zijlema at basicguru dot eu)
        http://zijlema.basicguru.eu
        *** Opinions expressed here are not necessarily untrue ***

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        • #24
          I "think" the "downloaded and therefore blocked" is a function of the browser (or more specifically, Microsoft Internet Explorer), which adds some kind of "file property" if it "knows" the file was downloaded.

          This blocking also occurs when saving a *.chm or other file with a "potential danger" file extension which arrives as an email attachment when using Microsoft Outlook Express - but of course OE is part of IE so that's probably just two sides of the same coin.

          FWIW, the reason I suggested "an" installer program is because I have never ever had any problems like this when I ship software to clients packaged in an Inno Setup "setup" file.

          MCM
          Michael Mattias
          Tal Systems (retired)
          Port Washington WI USA
          [email protected]
          http://www.talsystems.com

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          • #25
            This is what Microsoft reports: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902225/en-us. Did you miss this "news" Michael?

            Egbert Zijlema, journalist and programmer (zijlema at basicguru dot eu)
            http://zijlema.basicguru.eu
            *** Opinions expressed here are not necessarily untrue ***

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            • #26
              I think that just confirms what I thought. It's Microsoft applications which "do something" to make *.chm files less than fully, immediately available, although that article suggests it's only when one opens the file from the Temporary Internet Files folder.

              Well, whatever the technical explanation, using an installer has kept my phone quiet. I think I shall keep things this way.


              MCM
              Michael Mattias
              Tal Systems (retired)
              Port Washington WI USA
              [email protected]
              http://www.talsystems.com

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