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    I have been researching on the internet and in the Poffs forum
    for a good freeware solution.

    I have found a few references, but some of the links are old and
    some of the programs are hard to evaluate.

    I have HC.exe to compile a .HLP file and Helpdeco.exe to decompile
    a .HLP file.

    I can decompile and then re-compile a .HLP file fine,
    but if I make changes to the .rtf file then HC.exe rejects it.

    I need a tool that I cna write it in and will generate the necessary
    .hpj and .rtf file that will go toghether fine and make a .HLP file

    Can someone suggest something SIMPLE?

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    Kind Regards
    Mike

  • #2
    I have and (occasionally) use Robohelp, but prefer to use Word97 and HCW... the formatting rules seem a little complex initially, but it is fairly easy to learn and be productive.

    (Robohelp integrates Word97, but I find it clumsy and difficult to work with that way... Word97 by itself is the most straight forward arrangement).

    The best site for info and tools is probably www.helpmaster.com

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    Lance
    PowerBASIC Support
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    Lance
    mailto:[email protected]

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    • #3
      Mike;

      Here is a freeware tool called Oasis SE !

      http://www.interfeb.com/

      There is also a shareware product (totally different than freeware one)
      called Oasis Pro.




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      Chris Boss
      Computer Workshop
      Developer of "EZGUI"
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      • #4
        Chris,

        I like this. I made a .HLP file easily with Oasis Pro.
        But I did not realize that there features missing.
        I want my HLP file to open on the contents Page, not the white
        square with in a square where you choose contents to be displayed.
        I just want to go straight there.

        And then when you hit the Contents TAB (top left) it takes you to
        the Displayed page as well (not the Choose what to display White box
        inside a box)

        I cant seem to make this happen with Oasis Pro. Is it just not capable
        or am I missing an option sopmewhere.

        I suspect I will need another app right?

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        Kind Regards
        Mike

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        • #5
          Mike,

          I agree with Lance here, I use an older version of WORD and the
          freeware HCW from Microsoft to build the help files I need. If
          you have a version of word and know your way around its macros,
          you can write yur own help file template and get very good results
          without messing around with other stuff.

          A few tricks, get a copy of SHED.EXE, its freeware from the SDK
          and you can use it to make "Segmented Hyper Graphics" which are
          modified bitmaps that are compressed and can be used as links in
          your help file.

          Regards,

          [email protected]

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          hutch at movsd dot com
          The MASM Forum

          www.masm32.com

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          • #6
            I wish i had an old version of word, but i dont.

            I have to find a 3rd party app. It seems i have exhausted the freeware
            so does anyone know of a good shareware app?

            I am going to email the guy at Helpmaster.com and ask him for a
            reccomendation, but i thought I would ask this list first as I trust
            you guys.

            I want to be able to create a HLP file that opens up on the full
            page Contents (like RC.HLP) or even better has a tree menu on the right hand side
            like PBDLL.HLP.

            I really like Oasis Pro but I dont think it can do this.

            Anyone use an app that does?



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            Kind Regards
            Mike

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            • #7
              Mike, I use HelpScribble - http://www.jgsoft.com/helpscr.html
              It does everything I need and about half a million things I dont
              HelpScribble is a great application for creating Windows Help files. It does not require an expensive word processor (and certainly not one from a particular company) and you do not need to be an expert to use it. Even if its interface might look a little bit scary at first, you will find it to be both quite powerful and easy to use after playing around with it for just a little while.

              You can use HelpScribble with Windows 95, 98, ME, NT4 and 2000. The built-in editors for SHG files (hotspot bitmaps), WinHelp macros, contents tree, browse sequences, etc. allow you to create full-featured help files with ease. You can also export your projects to the new HTML Help format. If you have previously used another help authoring tool, you will find HelpScribble's import function very useful: you will not lose any previous work because you decided to dump your old tool.
              Price - USD 79.00/EUR 79.00
              If you were referring to it being able to create Contents menus, yes it can

              Best of luck,
              Wayne


              [This message has been edited by Wayne Diamond (edited July 09, 2001).]
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              • #8
                hi mike,

                this may not be exactly what you had in mind, but did you see my post at
                http://www.powerbasic.com/support/pb...ad.php?t=25837 ?

                - this also provides a way for you to build your own help systems for free.

                regards,

                paul
                Zippety Software, Home of the Lynx Project Explorer
                http://www.zippety.net
                My e-mail

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                • #9
                  What about an HTML editor and use the HtmpHelp compiler from billy?
                  Easy to do.

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                  hellobasic

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                  • #10
                    Hi Edwin,

                    Sure you can, and it's pretty too. But you are then relying on every client machine
                    having the necessary support files already plumbed in. Not to mention performance...

                    Thanks Billy, but no thanks.

                    Cheers -

                    Paul



                    [This message has been edited by Paul Noble (edited July 09, 2001).]
                    Zippety Software, Home of the Lynx Project Explorer
                    http://www.zippety.net
                    My e-mail

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                    • #11
                      Mike,
                      Getting the help file to open on the contents page is controlled by
                      how you call your help. Don't use the %HELP_CONTENTS flag, use the
                      %HELP_FINDER flag instead, ie:

                      CALL WinHelp( hWnd, szHelpFilePath, %HELP_FINDER, 0)

                      I have been using Helper v 3.2.18.20 by Kenneth R. deCamargo Jr
                      in combination with MS's Help Workshop v. 4.03.0002, which I found
                      on the HelpMaster Site.

                      regards,

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                      • #12
                        A few more help creators:
                        http://www.cheta.net/shareware/apps/98/helpfile.html
                        Personally I'm using Windows Help Designer by Nick Ameladiotis.
                        Works fine...


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                        mailto[email protected][email protected]</A>
                        Regards,
                        Peter

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                        • #13
                          Ian,

                          thx for that tip.
                          I am actually just talking about when you launch it by double clicking on it.
                          It seems that to get it go straight to displaying the Contents
                          and not the "select topic to display" is a problem.

                          Al WinZips files do it. Most PB files do it (how were they created guys?)
                          I am now in the process of checking out every dome I can get my hadns on till I
                          find one that will do this. It seems obvious to me but what do i know

                          Lance
                          RoboHelp is 70MB!!
                          I wont be demoing that today

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                          Kind Regards
                          Mike

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                          • #14
                            If the Contents file <helpFile.cnt> is in the same directory
                            as the Help file <helpFile.hlp> then it should open on the
                            Contents page when double-clicked.

                            regards,

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                            • #15
                              The PowerBASIC Windows help files were generated with the assistance of RoboHelp--
                              as Lance notes, not an entirely pleasing tool, although I personally find it
                              preferable to the alternatives. Then again, it's been a few years since I've
                              examined such utilities. Then again again, .HLP files have been nominally obsolete
                              for some years, so it's probably not a lively market.

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                              Tom Hanlin
                              PowerBASIC Staff

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                              • #16
                                I find plain helpfiles techically speaking the best!
                                You can do almost anything with .hlp files.
                                Even making use of DLL's like robohelp does.
                                And resources attached.

                                Frankly, it's a neater system than htmlhelp (technically speaking).

                                The easy to use browse for topic is something i choose to use html help.
                                I don't need to build a main topic with links now.


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                                hellobasic

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                                • #17
                                  Tom,

                                  What has replaced .HLP files?


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                                  Kind Regards
                                  Mike

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                                  • #18
                                    As far as Microsoft's concerned, "HTML Help". At this point, though, it
                                    seems to me that you can get a lot more bang for your buck by skipping
                                    Microsoft entirely and just going with genuine HTML files. They're simple,
                                    they're portable, and there's a vast selection of tools available for
                                    manipulating 'em.

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                                    Tom Hanlin
                                    PowerBASIC Staff

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                                    • #19
                                      Mike
                                      I use an older programmer, especially for older programmers, called
                                      Helpgen from Rimrock Software - somewhere on the west coast of the USA.
                                      The full version was only $30 US, which was very good when the £ was high
                                      against the $

                                      Iain Johnstone

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                                      “None but those who have experienced them can conceive of the enticements of science” - Mary Shelley

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                                      • #20
                                        I'm a fan of Samaritan. I've used literally a dozen different help editors, and have to say I like this one the best. It's also cheap .

                                        http://www.e-netronix.com/en/products/samaritan.shtml



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                                        Troy King
                                        [email protected]
                                        Troy King
                                        katravax at yahoo dot com

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