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**Michael Mattias** · 31 Oct 2007, 05:00 PM

>Visit my web site ....Come visit my web site today ...

And that would be at h-t-t-p-colon-slash-slash...??????

**Joe Byrne** · 31 Oct 2007, 05:04 PM

And that would be at h-t-t-p-colon-slash-slash...??????

Hint: Look at the signature line.

**Chris Boss** · 31 Oct 2007, 05:14 PM

Yes, Michael,

The signature on my post always displays my web site address (cwsof.com).

The ezgui.com domain also still works, but the new one is preferred.

**Michael Mattias** · 1 Nov 2007, 09:50 AM

I don't see any signature line.

Do I need to enable something either in IE6 or on the forum?

I know when I leave "Show your Signature" checked (first reply within a thread only) my email address shows up in 'link highlight' text, and I see other peoples signatures, but this post shows nada in Racine..

???

[added]
Ok, I found it by clicking on "view public profile" but I was looking for it in the post itself. You know, one step, make it easy, etc...

**Marco Pontello** · 1 Nov 2007, 10:12 AM

Check your forum options:
MySettings -> Edit Options -> Thread Display Options -> Visibile Post Elements

Bye!

**Michael Mattias** · 1 Nov 2007, 11:13 AM

Woo. Checking "show signatures" helped a lot!

Thanks guys.

**Knuth Konrad** · 1 Nov 2007, 12:45 PM

But that's precisely the point for putting the URL in the message as well, especially when announcing a product.

Out of habit, I've also turned signatures off. While this forum is a positive exception from the rule, in other forums (especially non techy forums), you'll get bombed with MBs of crappy and supposed to be funny graphics in signatures.

A single thread with a few messages can take ages to load...

**Chris Boss** · 1 Nov 2007, 01:23 PM

I didn't realize that you can turn off signatures.

For those who have them off:

Computer Workshop - Software development.

http://cwsof.com

Computer Workshop and Creative Design

Is the address for the Computer Workshop website.

**Roger Garstang** · 1 Nov 2007, 04:06 PM

I guess it makes sense now why he started a whole thread about not knowing where people are from...

**Chris Boss** · 1 Nov 2007, 11:27 PM

Just to get this thread back on track:

EZGUI 4.0 Personal Version is a great deal for hobby programmers.
The product is very extensive and aside from the few limitations, you do get basically the entire EZGUI 4.0 command set (only one command has been removed).

EZGUI is very advanced and you will be able to things you never imagined before. The graphic engine is extensive. The Sprite engine is very powerful.

You will be able to do things with the Listview and Treeview control you never thought you could do yourself.

Please come visit my web site to learn more.

**Chris Boss** · 1 Nov 2007, 11:36 PM

Third Party developers may find the Personal Version a great way to test their products with EZGUI 4.0.

The personal version supports custom controls (ie. EGrid, SIGrid). You can actually use the real controls in the Designer.

Interested in designing plugins for EZGUI 4.0 ?

The Personal version also supports the same plugins as does the Pro version. You can learn how to write plugins for 3D buttons and Code Plugins using the Personal Version. Code Plugins allow the user to modify generated code via a plugin. Templates for the plugins (written in PB) are provided.

Business users seriously consider the Personal Version. Not sure whether the Pro version is for you ? The Personal Version license is quite liberal in that business users can use it for InHouse software and the software generated can be run on up to 3 separate computers. Small business will love that! If you only need to develop software for inhouse use, this is a great deal. The few limitations in the Personal Version shouldn't effect most business software. Also, if you find you like EZGUI but find you later need the Pro version, you can upgrade.

The personal version is a great opportunity!

**Edwin Knoppert** · 2 Nov 2007, 04:16 AM

>Third Party developers may find the Personal Version a great way to test their products with EZGUI 4.0.

Imo this is more your concern then mine.
I am willing to test but in this case for free

I thought about buying but what should i do with it after testing it?

Anyway i am sure your dll will work with my PwrDev, i had this question a few times.
Personally i don't see the mixture of these tools but then, user asks right?

**Chris Boss** · 2 Nov 2007, 10:07 AM

Edwin,

I will give details of the necessary specs for custom controls (and plugins) to anyone who needs them free of charge. Also I have also posted on the PB forums in the past about what EZGUI requires of custom controls.

As far as making the product available for free, that not my responsibility. Third party developers can get all they need for free, but if they want to actually use the product to fully test it with EZGUI, the Personal version is the perfect solution (low cost and fully featured).

Look at Microsoft:

They make an SDK freely available for developing apps on Windows, but it is up to the developers to actually purchase each new version of Windows for testing. I recently purchased a new computer with Vista, not because I needed a new computer (mine was fine), but because I needed access to Vista for testing (it will be used for testing the next version of my software).

The same holds true for EZGUI.

Also EZGUI 4.0 Personal may be useful for developing inhouse tools (even if you do use something else). Its drag and drop engine makes this amazingly easy to develop Designers for inhouse use. Of course you personally have the knowledge of how to do this, but not all third party developers do.

**Michael Mattias** · 2 Nov 2007, 10:22 AM

Well, your marketing ploy worked: you got me to look at it.

"What, Mr. 'I don't need no steenkin' code generator' himself was looking?"

Yes. I was looking for 'something' which would let me design windows and provide me 'something' which could give me control sizes and locations in PIXELS rather than dialog units, so I could code my screens with CreateWindowEx with a lot less tinkering around than I do now.

Such a tool would not be worth $249 to me, but would be worth $49.

But it doesn't look like even if I generate the code, I get all that info in one convenient place... it 'appears' windows are created by calling the runtime, specifiying the name of a previously-designed 'form' .. that is, the details of the control locations and sizes are 'buried' somewhere else.

But If I have that wrong, you are welcome to try to sell me something.

Michael Mattias
Racine WI
[email protected]

**Edwin Knoppert** · 2 Nov 2007, 10:42 AM

>I will give details of the necessary specs for custom controls (and plugins) to anyone who needs them free of charge.
No serious developer will go on specs only, stuff needs to be tested and examples prepared.

>As far as making the product available for free, that not my responsibility.
Looking at this topic is that you try to sell this library.
You are also the one mentioning using it with other 3th party tools.

>Third party developers can get all they need for free,
I was interested to take a peek, and prepare a simple example.

>the Personal version is the perfect solution (low cost and fully featured)
I seen the word 'free' somewhere?

Forget i asked.

**John Spikowski** · 2 Nov 2007, 02:04 PM

I seen the word 'free' somewhere?

I think Chris has redefined the term "Shareware".

**Chris Boss** · 2 Nov 2007, 07:32 PM

The specs on making custom controls that will work with EZGUI are free.

I have post info on the PB forums, EZGUI forums and will email to anyone who asks details about what is needed for a custom control to work with the EZGUI Designer.

As far as using the actual Designer, that is not free for testing.

This is not unreasonable. I doubt Powerbasic would give away PB Forms just so people can design custom controls to work with it, so why should I ?

The new Personal version is very reasonably priced.

The only free software I offer, are my freeware DDT Designers and some sample code (ie. custom control sample).

Michael,

Have you ever tried Borjes WinSpy freeware program ?

You can use any Visual Designer to prototype your apps and then use WinSpy to generate SDK style code to create the Dialogs. EZGUI uses standard Windows controls (unlike say VB), so you can use not only the personal version, but even my freeeare DDT Designers to prototype dialogs.

The EZGUI Personal Version though supports many more controls than do my freeware tools.

Also EZGUI 4.0 (Pro and Personal) supports Code plugins in the Designer. All the code is sent to the plugin first, before it is sent to a code editor. You can do some interesting things by parsing the generated code via a plugin.

The Designer (and EZGUI) works with character based coordinates (defauly character unit is 8 x 16 pixels). The Designer does display on the Statusbar the currently selected controls position and size in either character units or pixels (user selectable).

**John Spikowski** · 3 Nov 2007, 05:18 AM

EZGUI Splash Window at Startup

For $49 you would think that you woudn't have to put up with shareware like ads/splash screens.

I think the limitations imposed should be enough to intice the upgrade.

John

**Chris Boss** · 3 Nov 2007, 02:46 PM

The Professional version is $249.

The Personal Version of such a product can't be too close to the Pro.

Such limitations (including the spash window, which is actually just a message box window) are necessary to distinquish the product from its Professional level parent. I found offering a full featured product with these few limitations, much better than "dumbing down" EZGUI and removing lots of features. I think users would rather live with a small splash window (message box) when their apps start up, than to have a version which simply removed lots of the advanced features.

The personal version is a great product that will fit the needs of many who wouldn't be able to buy the Pro version. It is also a great way to experiment with EZGUI before spending the full price for the pro version.

The choice in what is offered is my decision. It is what it is.

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