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    I thought I would start a thead with a poll to see how much of a market there is for PowerBASIC GUI Tools.

    John
    54
    I already purchased a GUI designer.
    59.26%
    32
    I use PowerBASIC supplied tools.
    35.19%
    19
    I plan to purchase a 3rd Party GUI designer this year.
    5.56%
    3

  • #2
    I'm afraid that a poll of this sort will tell you practically nothing about "market", John. Only a small percentage of PowerBASIC customers ever post on these forums. We have thousands of lurkers daily, but that doesn't equate to those who actually register and post.

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    • #3
      Bob,

      I think this poll will tell us more then what the market might be for GUI designers.
      • Does PowerBASIC's current toolset provide what is needed to get the job done?
      • How many PowerBASIC users buy 3rd party designers?
      • How big of a non-GUI market is there and does this info help justify a Linux development effort?


      Over time this poll will level out and changes will be consistant across the board. At that point, the providers of GUI designer can estimate what their sales and market share may be.

      John
      Last edited by John Spikowski; 3 Mar 2008, 03:40 AM.

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      • #4
        Missing at least one more choice.

        1. NO I use SDK.

        James

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jcfuller View Post
          Missing at least one more choice.

          1. NO I use SDK.

          James
          I would say that falls under "PowerBASIC supplied tools".

          John

          P.S.

          Glad to see your still active with PowerBASIC being retired and all.

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          • #6
            I think questions are not exclusive here.
            I have purchased some UI dev tools. I use what PB gives to me and at the same time I would purchase a new GUI dev tool if worth.

            It depends on the project you have to do. The time you have to develop it and many other projects dependant aspects.

            Very hard to get some conclusions I think.
            thinBasic programming language
            Win10 64bit - 8GB Ram - i7 M620 2.67GHz - NVIDIA Quadro FX1800M 1GB

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            • #7
              This poll is to determine if people are fine with the PowerBASIC tools that come with the compiler (SDK, DDT, and add-ons) or is it possible the GUI designer market is saturated.

              Either you are or plan to use external tools or are fine with the tools provided.

              That's about all I hope to get out of this. I hope the PowerBASIC members vote even if they just lurk and don't post.

              The hope is that we will not lose anyone due to false expectations.

              John
              Last edited by John Spikowski; 3 Mar 2008, 05:43 AM. Reason: Typo

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              • #8
                I'm using DDT 1.51 by PBCompany...

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                • #9
                  I have bought PowerBASIC for Windows about two months ago for native Windows development. I've only played a little bit with it, as I have not yet decided whether I will be learning the Win32 API SDK or PB's DDT.

                  I will probably buy a GUI designer once I made that decision.

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                  • #10
                    Is PBFORMS a "PowerBASIC supplied" tool? Or is it an additional GUI tool, one I might purchase instead of (or in addition to) EZGui or PwrDev or something else?
                    Michael Mattias
                    Tal Systems (retired)
                    Port Washington WI USA
                    [email protected]
                    http://www.talsystems.com

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                    • #11
                      >as I have not yet decided whether I will be learning the Win32 API SDK or PB's DDT.

                      IMO at some point you will be learning to use SDK-style programming anyway. But if you are new to the whole Windows' thing, using DDT syntax is probably the quickest way to actually get things on the screen and start to learn about handling notification messages.

                      Starting with ANY "tool" (possible exception: PBFORMS) is IMNSHO a stone loser when you take the long view.
                      Michael Mattias
                      Tal Systems (retired)
                      Port Washington WI USA
                      [email protected]
                      http://www.talsystems.com

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                      • #12
                        Starting with ANY "tool" (possible exception: PBFORMS) is IMNSHO a stone loser when you take the long view.
                        Yes, I fully agree with you. I'll definitely first manually code my screens before I'll buy a tool.

                        I've already bought the classic book by Charles Petzold and have started studying the examples while reading the book (I'm glad somebody took the time to translate his examples to PB), but I am progressing very slowly.

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                        • #13
                          I agree with Bob Zale. I have purchasers who rearely (or never) post on the forums,
                          but they are there. Take this thread for example:
                          http://www.powerbasic.com/support/pb...ad.php?t=36490

                          There is a big market for PB tools (relatively smaller, but still big), but you wont
                          know it until you know it.

                          Hint:
                          Do you think Chris boss aims to the same people everytime he posts his advertising?
                          Nah.... He most likely gets many sales from non-poster users that silently come
                          to the forums.
                          Last edited by Elias Montoya; 3 Mar 2008, 01:33 PM.

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                          • #14
                            It's true that not everyone will vote in this poll. It's also true that not everyone will vote in the upcoming US elections.

                            This is a sampling from the active PowerBASIC user base. This will be a tool for the 3rd party folks to determine their potential market share. Assumptions will follow.

                            John

                            P.S.

                            If you purchased a GUI designer in the past and not actively using it, then please select "PowerBASIC supplied tools".

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                            • #15
                              I wouldn't say that using SDK, means "Using PowerBASIC supplied tools".

                              ...
                              Patrice Terrier
                              www.zapsolution.com
                              www.objreader.com
                              Addons: GDImage.DLL 32/64-bit (Graphic library), WinLIFT.DLL 32/64-bit (Skin Engine).

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                              • #16
                                Patrice,

                                Your using the PowerBASIC compiler to create your SDK based applications and not using an external GUI designer. Correct? There are only 4 possible answers to this poll.

                                Once again, this poll has a limited purpose. Do you use external tools or not and are you planning to purchase a GUI designer in the near future.

                                Maybe you can create a poll that asks the question which method (and tool) you use to develop GUI applications.

                                John

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                                • #17
                                  Maybe you can create a poll that asks the question which method (and tool) you use to develop GUI applications
                                  That exact poll was taken a while ago (a year or so?) , I think right in this forum.

                                  But I don't know that the data are still valid, since there are many new members and many of the formerly new members are of course no longer new.

                                  But FWIW, I use the dialog editor supplied with the compiler followed by <PrtScn> key, then "Paint" (paste, print). (Pretty high-tech, huh?)
                                  Michael Mattias
                                  Tal Systems (retired)
                                  Port Washington WI USA
                                  [email protected]
                                  http://www.talsystems.com

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Michael Mattias
                                    But FWIW, I use the dialog editor supplied with the compiler followed by <PrtScn> key, then "Paint" (paste, print). (Pretty high-tech, huh?)
                                    Where do I place my order?

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                                    • #19
                                      The poll is still in it's early data gathering stage but so far it looks as if 1/2 of the PowerBasic customers purchase a GUI designer as an addition to their toolkit. It would be interesting to know a ball park idea how many new PBWin sales a month there are.

                                      John

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by John Spikowski View Post
                                        ... It would be interesting to know a ball park idea how many new PBWin sales a month there are.
                                        John
                                        I bet you would be

                                        However, not being a publicly traded company, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you
                                        Software makes Hardware Happen

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