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    There are some words that when searched for that the search engine does not return any results for, even though the conditions are right. That is there are those words in titles(specified), forum, and yet the search engine tells me there are no results when there is in fact at least one posting there that meets the conditions.

    I searched for "Help with", those two words in several different search formats, knowing that there was at least one thread title that started with those words.

    I never got any results in searches for the following words "help" "help with" "with" "without".

    However, a search for "problems with" in titles only, gives results without those words in the title.
    I did not do this search as a phrase, simple the two words, and it returned posts with the two words in the body of the text.

    Is there some way that I could be doing things differently that would get me results with "help with" in the title? I tried most if not all varietys (+help +with, (help with), "help with", etc)
    Rod
    I want not 'not', not Knot, not Knott, not Nott, not knot, not naught, not nought, but aught.

  • #2
    The words "help", "with", and "without" are nor indexed by the server. These are usually common words that will not add strength to the search and will most likely return too many records (words like 'a', or 'the'). Since these words are not indexed, they cannot be searched for.

    Here is a list of words that the server will not index:

    a's
    able
    about
    above
    according
    accordingly
    across
    actually
    after
    afterwards
    again
    against
    ain't
    all
    allow
    allows
    almost
    alone
    along
    already
    also
    although
    always
    am
    among
    amongst
    an
    and
    another
    any
    anybody
    anyhow
    anyone
    anything
    anyway
    anyways
    anywhere
    apart
    appear
    appreciate
    appropriate
    are
    aren't
    around
    as
    aside
    ask
    asking
    associated
    at
    available
    away
    awfully
    be
    became
    because
    become
    becomes
    becoming
    been
    before
    beforehand
    behind
    being
    believe
    below
    beside
    besides
    best
    better
    between
    beyond
    both
    brief
    but
    by
    c'mon
    c's
    came
    can
    can't
    cannot
    cant
    cause
    causes
    certain
    certainly
    changes
    clearly
    co
    com
    come
    comes
    concerning
    consequently
    consider
    considering
    contain
    containing
    contains
    corresponding
    could
    couldn't
    course
    currently
    definitely
    described
    despite
    did
    didn't
    different
    do
    does
    doesn't
    doing
    don't
    done
    down
    downwards
    during
    each
    edu
    eg
    eight
    either
    else
    elsewhere
    enough
    entirely
    especially
    et
    etc
    even
    ever
    every
    everybody
    everyone
    everything
    everywhere
    ex
    exactly
    example
    except
    far
    few
    fifth
    first
    five
    followed
    following
    follows
    for
    former
    formerly
    forth
    four
    from
    further
    furthermore
    get
    gets
    getting
    given
    gives
    go
    goes
    going
    gone
    got
    gotten
    greetings
    had
    hadn't
    happens
    hardly
    has
    hasn't
    have
    haven't
    having
    he
    he's
    hello
    help
    hence
    her
    here
    here's
    hereafter
    hereby
    herein
    hereupon
    hers
    herself
    hi
    him
    himself
    his
    hither
    hopefully
    how
    howbeit
    however
    i'd
    i'll
    i'm
    i've
    ie
    if
    ignored
    immediate
    in
    inasmuch
    inc
    indeed
    indicate
    indicated
    indicates
    inner
    insofar
    instead
    into
    inward
    is
    isn't
    it
    it'd
    it'll
    it's
    its
    itself
    just
    keep
    keeps
    kept
    know
    knows
    known
    last
    lately
    later
    latter
    latterly
    least
    less
    lest
    let
    let's
    like
    liked
    likely
    little
    look
    looking
    looks
    ltd
    mainly
    many
    may
    maybe
    me
    mean
    meanwhile
    merely
    might
    more
    moreover
    most
    mostly
    much
    must
    my
    myself
    name
    namely
    nd
    near
    nearly
    necessary
    need
    needs
    neither
    never
    nevertheless
    new
    next
    nine
    no
    nobody
    non
    none
    noone
    nor
    normally
    not
    nothing
    novel
    now
    nowhere
    obviously
    of
    off
    often
    oh
    ok
    okay
    old
    on
    once
    one
    ones
    only
    onto
    or
    other
    others
    otherwise
    ought
    our
    ours
    ourselves
    out
    outside
    over
    overall
    own
    particular
    particularly
    per
    perhaps
    placed
    please
    plus
    possible
    presumably
    probably
    provides
    que
    quite
    qv
    rather
    rd
    re
    really
    reasonably
    regarding
    regardless
    regards
    relatively
    respectively
    right
    said
    same
    saw
    say
    saying
    says
    second
    secondly
    see
    seeing
    seem
    seemed
    seeming
    seems
    seen
    self
    selves
    sensible
    sent
    serious
    seriously
    seven
    several
    shall
    she
    should
    shouldn't
    since
    six
    so
    some
    somebody
    somehow
    someone
    something
    sometime
    sometimes
    somewhat
    somewhere
    soon
    sorry
    specified
    specify
    specifying
    still
    sub
    such
    sup
    sure
    t's
    take
    taken
    tell
    tends
    th
    than
    thank
    thanks
    thanx
    that
    that's
    thats
    the
    their
    theirs
    them
    themselves
    then
    thence
    there
    there's
    thereafter
    thereby
    therefore
    therein
    theres
    thereupon
    these
    they
    they'd
    they'll
    they're
    they've
    think
    third
    this
    thorough
    thoroughly
    those
    though
    three
    through
    throughout
    thru
    thus
    to
    together
    too
    took
    toward
    towards
    tried
    tries
    truly
    try
    trying
    twice
    two
    un
    under
    unfortunately
    unless
    unlikely
    until
    unto
    up
    upon
    us
    use
    used
    useful
    uses
    using
    usually
    value
    various
    very
    via
    viz
    vs
    want
    wants
    was
    wasn't
    way
    we
    we'd
    we'll
    we're
    we've
    welcome
    well
    went
    were
    weren't
    what
    what's
    whatever
    when
    whence
    whenever
    where
    where's
    whereafter
    whereas
    whereby
    wherein
    whereupon
    wherever
    whether
    which
    while
    whither
    who
    who's
    whoever
    whole
    whom
    whose
    why
    will
    willing
    wish
    with
    within
    without
    won't
    wonder
    would
    would
    wouldn't
    yes
    yet
    you
    you'd
    you'll
    you're
    you've
    your
    yours
    yourself
    yourselves
    zero
    Sincerely,

    Steve Rossell
    PowerBASIC Staff

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    • #3
      Thanks for the list, Steve.

      For the sake of clarity, and anyone else reading this, when these words are combined with indexed words they show up highlit in the generated posts/threads and I assume that would be normal.

      The list is going to make my searches a lot less frustrating. Thanks again.
      Rod
      I want not 'not', not Knot, not Knott, not Nott, not knot, not naught, not nought, but aught.

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      • #4
        Howbeit?
        "Not my circus, not my monkeys."

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        • #5
          I think excluding any words from a search is unhelpful.
          Let the search go ahead and return the 500 (or whatever limit is deemed to be suitable) first hits. If the returned results don't match expectations then the searcher can then redefine the search accordingly.

          In particular, searches for short expressions should be allowed.

          For example, searching for: 64 bit cpu
          Doesn't work. If I want to know if PB works on a 64 bit CPU then that's an obvious thing to search for.

          It's a pity to have to go to Google to do a site search on the PB website just becase PB limits the search terms.

          Far better, in my opinion, to allow all search terms and just limit the returned hits to some reasonable value just to limit the server time needed to perform the search as you just know some folk will search for " " and expect 268,000 hits to be returned.

          Paul.

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          • #6
            Drat. If only I'd seen Eric's post before I hit "send" on mine then I'd have worked "howbeit" into my reply somehow!

            Paul.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rodney Hicks View Post
              I searched for "Help with", those two words in several different search formats, knowing that there was at least one thread title that started with those words.

              I never got any results in searches for the following words "help" "help with" "with" "without".
              Try POFFS. Works great! No wait! No ache! No pain!

              Regards,
              Bob

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              • #8
                I'd have to agree. That is a pretty lengthy list too...unless it prompts you whenever you type a common word, I have no plans of keeping a browser window open just to check my search words every time I type. I can see things like- a, the, with, for, if, in, as, to, and, of, on, an, etc. But a lot of those words could be valid searches.
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                • #9
                  Howbeit that so many PB keywords and reserved words are not being indexed?

                  -- Eric
                  "Not my circus, not my monkeys."

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                  • #10
                    Think about 1) the amount of hard drive space that would be required to index a word like howbeit (given the extremely low freqency in the real world) to 2) the number of CPU cycles required to search for that word -- fruitlessly --- in all of the vBulletin messages that have ever been posted, anywhere.

                    That's what I call "over-programming".

                    -- Eric
                    "Not my circus, not my monkeys."

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                    • #11
                      Here is a list of words that the server will not index:
                      Is there any way of making it so the server will index the keywords, reserved words. There's probably less than thirty of them in that list.
                      Rod
                      I want not 'not', not Knot, not Knott, not Nott, not knot, not naught, not nought, but aught.

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